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Hello Tony. I apologize for the grief my additions caused to your DYK proposal. I will work on it next.

See, there is this policy called Public domain#Government works that applies to NASA:

::"Works of the United States Government and various other governments are excluded from copyright law and may therefore be considered to be in the public domain in their respective countries. In the United States, when copyrighted material is enacted into the law, it enters the public domain."

In similar circumstances and resulting debates years ago, it was decided that the work from NASA is indeed public domain and can be copied with inline attributions, which I did. It is accepted by most administrators, however, there will always be editors unwilling to accept this law, and claim that "plagiarism" applies instead, making it not a legal matter but "moral". I don't debate nor address such complains any more but I will fix it out of respect to you, not to Wikipedia zealots. CHeers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 15:21, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

:Personally, I think that every piece of science that was done with public money should end up in the public domain, regardless if the people doing it are public employees, or "private" employees – it would be the right thing. Effectively, if anybody is getting paid with public money, they are factually doing public work.

:However, this is not the law, and AFAIK, JPL is not a part of the government, it is not another part of NASA, it is not some public entity – it is basically a private company. As such (and unless the contract with NASA says otherwise) the private company JPL has copyright on their work (regardless whether they explicitly assert it or not). As I said, I don't like it, but that is how it probably is.

:With regards to JPL images: Until NASA officially and explicitly releases the JPL images into the public domain, I fear that JPL Image Policy is binding and effectively their images are not in the public domain. I would dearly love that someone would show up and say "Because of A, B and C, JPL's work is in the public domain." However, I have not seen a proper argument to this point. It would not be a big problem IMHO anyway (only a minor nuisance), because anybody is free to use JPL images, as long as the credit line is included.

:Now with regards to text, I don't know if the same applies as with images. Does JPL give permission to use their text, like they do with their images? The Europa Clipper article would be good help to advertise their project, and as such I imagine JPL would be fine with that. Maybe someone should contact them? Is there an official position by JPL on that? So we can use JPL text as well, as long a credit line is included in the article? Tony Mach (talk) 15:50, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

::I reworked the text and hope the "plagiarism" has been addressed to everyone's satisfaction. Regarding your images, I rather not participate in the debate; I was burned out years out with the convoluted technicalities of NASA/JPL use of their images. Please let me know if more work is needed with the offending text of the article. Again, my apologies of having your DYK rejected because of my additions. Cheers, BatteryIncluded (talk) 16:18, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

:::No sweat about the text! I don't know anything about DYK – is that a "Did you know"? I did not initiate such a thing and am a bit puzzled that you mention it. I just want to add information where there is none, but should be. Tony Mach (talk) 16:26, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

::::I think I should clear something up here, the text I removed was in no way in the public domain; it was not the work of NASA or JPL, it was verbatim text sourced from an NGO, private blog, and news source. The text I removed was clearly not in the public domain, and clearly protected by copyright. Liamdavies (talk) 16:32, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

::::: Thanks Liamdavies for pointing that out! I have kicked off a rather unpleasant copyright matter (JPL images, and the question whether the JPL images are PD or not), and got those two affairs a bit mixed up. IMHO you are right, the text parts used from the NGO and the blog are not in the PD. Tony Mach (talk) 19:02, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Tony, and firstly my apologies for being a party pooper. Unfortunately the use of :File:Internet dog.jpg (a non-free image) in :User:Tony Mach/userbox/Dog looks like a violation of WP:NFCCP. This policy states that non-free images can only be used in articles, and then only in an article for which a specific non-free use rationale has been provided. Do you think you could find another image for your userbox? Thanks. – Wdchk (talk) 03:00, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

:Darn!

:And I thought I only used free images for my userboxes! Will remove it, and thank you Wdchk for the pointer!

:(And I think a free image of a dog will do just fine for this userbox anyway.) Tony Mach (talk) 08:03, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

I like that you cleaned up the wording for the caveat on the Template:Shades of color, unfortunately it changed the meaning. I do agree though that the current caveat needs to be written more eloquently. Any suggestions? PaleAqua (talk) 19:16, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

:I would need to know what is wrong with the new wording – or rather what meaning is missing in the new wording. I will then gladly try a second attempt! I was hoping I nailed it, and that I didn't need to make it any longer… :-) Tony Mach (talk) 20:39, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

:: Opps sorry. I put it in the edit notice forgot to here. The issue is that color terms are not precise and don't map neatly to a single coordinate in RGB space. There has been issues in the past where this has caused problems and during one of those discussions it was decided to put a notice on the various shades of templates that the color was only one point out of a region in the color space that falls under the term. ( There is also the issue that some colors are outside of the RGB space and can't be represented fully saturated, etc. ) As one example, there was a debate about the color green and if green was actually #00ff00 or #007f00 ( and that other should "properly" be called office green or lime ) when in fact both colors are green. One of the solutions was for major color terms to include a grid of multiple colors in the info box. To be honest I'd actually like to replace the templates with something similar or perhaps allow for gradients. So green might show lighter greens in one corner, darker ones in another, etc. PaleAqua (talk) 02:11, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

::: OK, I see. I'll have to mull over that. Probably best to add a short note in the "color navboxes" and slightly longer explanation in the relevant articles. Color continues to be a can of worms… :-) Tony Mach (talk) 07:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

:::: Hi PaleAqua, I made a new version:

:::: A typical sample is shown for each name – however a range of color-variations is commonly associated with each color-name.

:::: Hope this is more to the point. Tony Mach (talk) 12:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

::::: Thanks PaleAqua (talk) 01:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

:: BTW I saw you experiment with some other changes. The sandbox feature for templates is pretty cool, it lets you preview how the template would look on other pages from the edit page. PaleAqua (talk) 02:16, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

:::I did test some things in my userspace first. Other things I thought they would work great, but realized only after I rolled them out that they didn't quite work as I envisioned – but I try to settle on a good version quickly though.

:::(On two unrelated topics) I have put some work (into an article and into an navbox) which are now lingering around since months in my user-space – it irks me that I have not rolled out these changes yet. Here I wanted to roll out improvements for the color topic once I thought they would improve the usefulness for wikipedia-users (and not have those changes linger almost finished in my userspace) – even if I had to hone them afterwards… Oh well, I do apologize – though I hope it is a net improvement what I do (and I think I don't leave any construction site open for long). Tony Mach (talk) 07:52, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

::::I can understand that, had a bunch of improvements I wanted to finish for the color infobox and related templates that I just never got the energy to get around to finish. So I'm glad to see others work on them. PaleAqua (talk) 09:26, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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In regards to {{diff2|623568789||this edit}}, doesn't reference 3 (named "sydney1") establish that it was "shot down"? Thanks, Stickee (talk) 12:35, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

: No Stickee, the reference does not establish any such thing - it merely reports it.

: If I am not mistaken, that reference is to a report from July 17th. I very much doubt they could have determined on the very same day, without visiting crash debris, without retrieving the black box, without examining air traffic records, and without evaluating possible confidential SIGINT recordings, the cause of the crash.

: I think the most likely cause of the crash was in fact a shot down, but a source of the same day as the crash can hardly establish this as anything resembling a fact – it was merely reported on that day. That is what I changed, to accurately represent what happened: it was reported.

:I think there are by now better sources to more definitely report this as a shot down, and if so, they should be used. And BTW: It will be the task of the Dutch investigation to establish the cause of the crash, and I hope the preliminary report comes out soon. Tony Mach (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

::There's 22 other citations that use "shot down" in their title alone, and a lot more would be using that term in their body (but I don't have time to check all 229 of them). As acknowledged by User:Knowledgekid87 who reverted your edit, the sources in the body state it was "shot down", as should the article. Stickee (talk) 13:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

:::Dear Stickee, would it be too much to ask to give ONE relevant citation at the establishing sentence, instead of hitting me over the head with "22 other citations" that contain "shot down" in the title? Citations which, by the way, may or may not establish that the airplane was shot down? Tony Mach (talk) 14:54, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

::::The reliable sources are saying it was shot down, therefore the article should say it too. The only standard of truth on Wikipedia are the RSs. It isn't our job to second-guess the sources; if they're all saying something as fact, the article does too. Stickee (talk) 00:10, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

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:It was my impression that these graphics "from the horse mouth" were not really replaceable, as there is not really much with regards to independent reports and research with access to accident site besides what is released from TEPCO – but I can see your point. If you have free and suitable replacements for the TEPCO graphics, please, by all means replace them! If you think the TEPCO graphics are not necessary where I placed them, then please remove them. I have at the moment not really the time nor energy to argue about what is and isn't fair use. Tony Mach (talk) 23:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

::I don't have any immediate replacement, but the standard of WP:NFCC#1 is that replacements could be created. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 23:49, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

:::As this sort of information from Fukushima is unfortunately as of now still on par with tea leaf reading, it is probably best anyway to wait until the location of the fuel in the reactors has been accounted for with some sense of certainty before any graphics will really add something. Once we have some more definitive news from Fukushima in that matter, then it might make sense to have someone interested make a free graphical representation. Tony Mach (talk) 00:20, 27 February 2016 (UTC)

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: See my comment above. Tony Mach (talk) 23:18, 26 February 2016 (UTC)

You said: "Regarding your revert: Yes, I know the Weston A. Price foundation website is a bit biased – but then again who is without biases? You?

Anyway, there are a lot of references given in the linked article (Are these references all unreliable? Misquoted? Or might it be possible to add from that information? And should one give credit if you one uses references and information from the linked article? Or does that somehow make all the references unreliable?), so I want to know if you can support the addition of "Pyridoxine β-glucoside (PNG), the form common in plants" to the VitB6 article.

Kindest regards," Tony Mach (talk) 14:56, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

PS: By removing the link (and hence the credit) you effectively make plagiarism out of my additions to the article – please re-add the link, or completely remove my additions. Tony Mach (talk) 15:04, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

:Tony: it's not so much a matter of plagiarism but one of no reliable source. [http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/vitamin-b6-the-under-appreciated-vitamin/ This is a spam source.] For a discussion of vit B6 as an essential nutrient for human health, we need reliable secondary sources per WP:MEDRS. Thanks for the kind inquiry. --Zefr (talk) 15:14, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

::Ok, I removed my additions. Tony Mach (talk) 15:18, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

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As one of the oldest living persons with disease it is irritating to have someone with absolutely no medical knowledge of this disease continue to edit and delete information. In fact there is additional information regarding adults that should be added because there are misdiagnosis and deaths occurring in adults. I have taught in metabolic/genetics research group doctors university regarding this disease. Quit doing human kind a disservice by editing what you think is unnecessary data. Go play in another sand box — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbydoodle (talk • contribs) 23:25, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

: Please calm down, I just broke down the long paragraph into shorter ones, and grouped information on female patients together - I did not change the content. Tony Mach (talk) 09:22, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Regarding this:

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I found a use of this Infobox (on the FLiBe Energy page) which was calling it "spectrum" (as had been documented).

Accordingly I corrected both the FLiBe Energy page and the documentation page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C2:1201:7860:BD5C:69D2:FE9:5287 (talk) 06:21, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

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about that source[https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=Burwinkel%2C+Barbara%3B+Kilimann%2C+Manfred+W.+(2003).+%22Muscle+glycogenosis+with+low+phosphorylase+kinase+activity%3A+mutations+in+PHKA1%2C+PHKG1+or+six+other+candidate+genes+explain+only+a+minority+of+cases] its not a review should you wish to discuss further Id be happy to do so thanks--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:32, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

:Yeah, I know – I hoped I made that crystal clear that it is not a review, but a single study (and unfortunately the most current one on that topic). The problem is, that GSD IXd (which affects muscle) and IXb (liver and muscle) is incredibly rare – so finding extensive reviews is not that easy. I took the information from the [https://omim.org/entry/300559 OMIM review on GSD IXd], which mentions in total only 5(!) studies on the genetics since the year 1990, with the last study from 2003(!) that I cited; that review mentions these finding from Burwinkel et al. (2003), albeit a bit shortened. Sure I would really really REALLY like to have an extensive review of the genetics of GSD IXd, but I am afraid I will not see one in my lifetime. Tony Mach (talk) 11:45, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

::lets discuss and see what is best have posted at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine&diff=813821153&oldid=813819103]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 12:11, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

:::what about...*{{cite journal|last1=Albash|first1=Buthainah|last2=Imtiaz|first2=Faiqa|last3=Al-Zaidan|first3=Hamad|last4=Al-Manea|first4=Hadeel|last5=Banemai|first5=Mohammed|last6=Allam|first6=R.|last7=Al-Suheel|first7=Ali|last8=Al-Owain|first8=Mohammed|title=Novel PHKG2 mutation causing GSD IX with prominent liver disease: report of three cases and review of literature|journal=European Journal of Pediatrics|date=|volume=173|issue=5|pages=647–653|doi=10.1007/s00431-013-2223-0|url=https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24326380|accessdate=5 December 2017|issn=1432-1076}}...it was suggested by Doc James[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Medicine&diff=813843643&oldid=813843343]--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:43, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

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Hey, I just used the Template:Infobox nuclear reactor in to create a new page, the template is very nice. I was wondering if you could add an additional parameter to the infobox, one that says "Criticality (date)" so it is easier to compare reactors by date. I could do it myself but I do not know how templates work. Another one for the "Owner" the reactor (or "Owned by") would be nice. --MaoGo (talk) 11:00, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

:Hello MaoGo, thanks for the interest! My problem is, I have limited knowledge of templates as well. But I will see what I can do! Tony Mach (talk) 13:57, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

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Hello {{U|Tony Mach}}, please pop by Talk:Giga_Press#Content_removal when available. It would be great to try and better understand the thinking involved. —Sladen (talk) 14:48, 7 February 2021 (UTC)