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Alfred Worden
Alfred Worden died in his sleep last night ([https://twitter.com/WordenAlfred?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor per his Twitter]). I'll probably spend some time on the article, just letting you know in case you can make time to help get it ready for recent deaths. Kees08 (Talk) 16:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:Wow, that's. a shame. I'll look at the article too.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:45, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
::PS, this is [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCdIQGokecw a great video on astronaut shenanigans]. Kees08 (Talk) 18:35, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Scott talks about [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYG5Y84etOk this one] in his memoirs ... I'd like to know if only six copies were made, how did it get onto YouTube?--Wehwalt (talk) 18:41, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
Question that may or may not be up your alley
Hi Wehwalt,
When I think "coins" I think Wehwalt. I have no idea whether this is something you know a lot about or not (your coin FA's seem to be U.S. coins, so probably not), but there's a coinage-related question at Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors#Tomorrow's POTD (although it might be at Wikipedia:Main_Page/Errors#Today's_POTD by the time you read this. I've guessed the best I can, based on Thaler#Later German thalers. If you have any insight to add, it would be appreciated. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:29, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks, I've responded there.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:28, 19 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Thank you, I've followed the advice from the two of you. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:56, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
Great work
I don't believe we've interacted before, Wehwalt, (forgive me if I don't recall) but I just happened on your userpage. I thought I should let you know how impressive your FA contributions are! Kudos and thank you. Ergo Sum 04:46, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
:I think I've reviewed a couple of your Georgetown articles at FAC. Excellent work! And thanks for the kind words.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:33, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
Introduction to viruses TFA
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:Thank you. Thank you for pushing it along.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:24, 24 March 2020 (UTC)
John Diefenbaker
Ah, I see where I was confused as to what was being said. Although I question why this is relevant. It's a fact simply because it takes the dates, which are otherwise not relevant, in order to make it a fact. I certainly don't see why it's important enough for the lede. Lexicon (talk) 21:50, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
:That he was the only leader to win in just about a half century? Seems a distinction. Thanks for letting me know.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:16, 28 March 2020 (UTC)
::Not even twenty-seven years. What happened after he left office would be attributable to the relative weakness of the party or its leaders and has nothing to do with his accomplishments (this article is about Diefenbaker, after all, not the Tories or Canadian federal elections). Furthermore, it's worded "to lead the party to an election victory" instead of "to be prime minister" so as to give five extra years to that span of time (the time Bennett was PM, when obviously no one could have been expected to lead the party to a victory). In short, it's worded in such a way as to create an accomplishment, not to document one. And that's not what an encyclopedia should be doing. Lexicon (talk) 00:21, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
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The San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge half dollar is a fifty-cent piece struck by the United States Bureau of the Mint in 1936 as a commemorative coin. One of many commemoratives issued that year, it was designed by Jacques Schnier and honors the opening of the Bay Bridge that November. One side of the coin depicts a grizzly bear, a symbol of California, and the other shows the San Francisco–Oakland Bay Bridge, with the Ferry Building. Congress passed authorizing legislation for the coin in 1936. Schnier's models were approved and the coins were struck at the San Francisco Mint. Just over 70,000 coins were sold, by mail, in person, and from booths at the Bay Bridge's approaches, making it the first commemorative coin to be sold on a drive-in basis. The coins were taken off sale in February 1937, with the unsold remainder returned to the Mint for redemption and melting. The Bay Bridge half dollar catalogs in the low hundreds of dollars, depending on condition.
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OTRS inquiry
Three issues come to mind:
- Another OTRS agent is technically the owner of this ticket. I don’t imagine they will mind if I offer to step in, but I need to have that conversation. I don’t anticipate any problem
- I trust you are aware that information in an OTRS is treated as confidential, so I have to be careful about how I ask questions of you. I’ll start with asking whether that ticket was initiated by you, or someone else, and you simply happen to be aware of it.
- The main issue is that the OTRS community has a well-established process for dealing with individual images, but a much less defined process for dealing with groups of images. This may sound odd, so I’ll try to explain. A permission statement typically identifies the specific images covered by the license. It is commonly one image, but it can include multiple images, with each image specifically identified. In those cases, processing is straightforward. The problem arises when some attempts to provide a group permission statement, covering, for all examples, all images created by person X, or all images contained on a particular website. Both are tricky. In the second case, what if images are added after the date of the license? Are they automatically covered? Or do we need a permalink to the site as of a particular date? I started exploring these issues when I was more active in permissions, but did not reach a satisfactory resolution. The community may has addressed this but I need to check. While I start that process, can you give me a sense of how many images are in play? You did say “a significant gift of numismatic images” so my guess is that we are talking hundreds rather than dozens. If it is “merely” dozens, and the significance is the quality and rareness, then the straightforward solution is to individually list the images. If the count is higher, we need to talk about the best way to uniquely identify the images in a way that will be unchanged over time.--S Philbrick(Talk) 22:36, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
:::I solicited the donor. There had been comments made about the poor quality of numismatic images. The idea is to be able to get coin images without asking permission each time. I'm aware of the contents of what they sent and I agree it is broad. That is the idea. They don't mind us using their images (with proper credit) but we can't go asking every time we need an image. If you need to limit it to the date they sent it in, I understand that, but I think the donative intent is abundantly clear.
:::As an alternative, the donor has previously allowed the use of images. Those were solicited by Godot13, who is no longer active, but who was the one who acted on that permission, but if the ticket, 2015012110018886, is still active and available to be used by any editor, that could also be done. I don't know what it says, but it might not breach confidentiality if you were to advise whether it is available for editors to download coin images and other numismatic items (coin ephemera, cases, that sort of thing).--Wehwalt (talk) 22:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)
::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, Thanks that's helpful. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:02, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::{{u|Sphilbrick}}, thank you for that. I have obtained an very large gift of images for Wikipedia, something that goes way beyond coins, because you can what a variety of items are illustrated. I would like to see, at the end of this, all of those images available as a resource for our editors without having to go back and ask permission over and over again. The second email from the donor both accomplishes this, and was with the intent to address the specific concern of the OTRS volunteer, doing so by using the form from the webpage. That's done, by the book. It frankly grates at me that you would suggest designating a couple of dozen images and going back to the donor for specific permission. It's quite possible I'm frustrated because of the current worldwide situation that has me stuck at home, but I will say bluntly that either help me finish landing this fish or don't interfere with my efforts to. There is a willing donor and grateful people poised to accept. OTRS should pass this and feel good about it. Thanks for your efforts in this regard.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:32, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, Please don't let that suggestion grate you, because that's not at all what I suggested. Remember AGF. S Philbrick(Talk) 11:10, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Sphilbrick}}, that looks unnecessarily inflammatory to me. Would you mind striking the second sentence?--Wehwalt (talk) 11:55, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, Huh? Happy to after you strike " It frankly grates at me that you would suggest..." I want to work with you, and don't appreciate being sniped at. Handling this will frankly be a LOT of work, and I'm willing to do it, but don't need the sniping. S Philbrick(Talk) 11:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, To Clarify:
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::::::::IF there are only a couple dozen images, the easiest option is to simply list them.
::::::::IF NOT we need to design a new process, which I'm willing to do, but only if needed. That why I wanted clarification on the number. I never suggested "designating a couple of dozen images and going back to the donor for specific permission." S Philbrick(Talk) 12:01, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::What about the 2015 permission, which was used by Godot13 over a period of years without any of this rigamarole? If that permission is available, we will use it. In fact the donor suggested the possibility yesterday.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:16, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, There's a lot to do, and I haven't yet looked at that. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:24, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::::{{u|Sphilbrick}}, I'll give it some thought, but my impression is the best course of action is to wait for a response on the donation from the OTRS volunteer who is handling it, and possibly for the time being should continue to. Alternatively, we will simply begin using the 2015 permission and if we're out of bounds, I guess someone will delete them. Although I don't see why anyone would, they didn't delete them when Godot13 used them. In the meantime, the great good use that Wikipedians could use from images of the many and varied objects sold by Heritage Auctions over the years will have to wait.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:35, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, I am the OTRS volunteer who is handling it. Someone else started, but when I checked with them, they didn't recall that it was assigned to them, so they weren't doing anything.
::::::::::::I looked at the 2015 permission. It is technically non-compliant, but I will chat with other agents to see if the technical problems can be overlooked, or if other action is needed. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:48, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::::{{u|King of Hearts}}, You were involved. I'll send you an email, but your input is solicited. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I just sent an email. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:50, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
{{od}}As you wish. Keep in mind we have a donor ready willing and able to cure such deficiencies. At this point, we'll just wait to hear from you via email then, though I may proceed with some uploads under the 2015 license.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:57, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{u|Wehwalt}}, I am very interested in making this work, but there are many moving parts. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
::Very well, I'll wait and see then. Thank you for your efforts to make this work.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:07, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
:::{{u|Sphilbrick}}, if there is a concern as to the rate images might be uploaded and might need checking by OTRS, I do not believe that would be the case. I do not think anyone will do any mass uploads. There might be initial enthusiasm, but I expect it would soon peter out to actual article needs, and I doubt it will impose a burden on OTRS personnel.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:37, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, That's not an issue as far as I know, but thanks for sharing that. I conversed with an OTRS admin, who has a proposed step forward, and I plan to try start implementing it today. I will share more details soon. S Philbrick(Talk) 11:23, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, Here's the issue: specifying a website to identify images is not an adequately defined description. One very obvious problem is that the website will change over time. Some images may be removed, making it difficult in the future to investigate any questions about whether an image is covered or not. Images might be added, and it may not be the intention of the website owner that all new images are covered. Even if that is the case, a critical aspect of a permission statement is the affirmation that the person providing the license is the copyright holder of the image, and while we can assume they checked all current images, there's no guarantee that all images added in the future will be copyrighted by the license.
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::::The solution is to take a snapshot of the website at a point in time, save that snapshot in Internet Archive, and craft the permission statement to refer to the images in that snapshot.
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::::I'm happy to create the internet Archive snapshot, and to write up the wording for the permission statement but I'm not sure how to identify the relevant pages easily. I've glanced at the website, and hoped there would be a single page, or a well-defined series of pages containing the relevant images, so that those pages could be captured. My hope is that you are more familiar with the website, and may be able to help me identify the pages in question. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, I'm also happy to converse with the copyright holder about this, but thought i would check with you first. S Philbrick(Talk) 12:55, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::{{u|Sphilbrick}} Can it be defined in terms of the categories on the site, of which coins is only one?--Wehwalt (talk) 13:27, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, I think so, but I'm still trying to figure out where all the images are housed. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:29, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, I have to run out for a couple hour project, but will continue this afternoon. S Philbrick(Talk) 13:30, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::Technical information is probably above my pay grade.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:07, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::(sorry for butting in) Seems easier for them to update their [https://coins.ha.com/c/ref/website-use-agreement.zx Website Use Agreement] to reflect how they want to license the images. Though they may not want to do that if they intend to dual-license it via their website terms (NC use not allowed) and per whatever terms are desired for Commons. Just another option. Kees08 (Talk) 00:24, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::::(sorry for butting in, pt. 2) The way I would do it if I owned the website and wanted to release only the images of auctioned items under a specific license, and not images such as auctioneers, auction advertisements, etc, is add a little box under the auctioned items images saying what the license is. Real small, grey font, so it doesn't interfere with the auctioneering process itself. I know this puts work on their side, but it would greatly simplify the process overall and make the agreement clear for all. Understood if you or them are not interested, just wanted to suggest it if it had not been thought of. Kees08 (Talk) 15:14, 3 April 2020 (UTC)
{{od}}{{u|Sphilbrick}} Any views on that? Or any update? We seem to be getting bogged down.--Wehwalt (talk) 08:00, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
:{{u|Wehwalt}}, I conferred with OTRS admins, who supported my suggestion that the relevant pages be saved as snapshots in Internet Archive and then a permission statement crafted to refer to those snapshots. I wrote this up and sent it in as a proposal to the website owner, including a commitment to writing the permission statement, so they simply had to send it in. I sent that two days ago, but have not heard back.
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:That said, I like {{ping|Kees08}} suggestion, and will follow up and propose it as an alternate option. S Philbrick(Talk) 11:15, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
::Seems simplest for everyone. Another semi-related point to this is noting that they are licensing the photograph and other elements of the image may be copyrighted, such as certain 3D images or stamps. I assume we all know that, but just wanted to make a note. :) Kees08 (Talk) 16:44, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
{{u|Sphilbrick}}, the donor says he hasn't gotten the email based on what Kees08 said. He did get your earlier email but I told him to await this one.--Wehwalt (talk) 15:17, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
:Can I make a suggestion? What if I asked them to change their image terms and conditions to say that the images are released under a suitable license when used on Wikipedia?--Wehwalt (talk) 15:26, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
::{{u|Wehwalt}}, I can resend, but I was also going to suggest that changing the terms on the page, as suggested by you and Kees08, may be the easier solution. As Kees08 points out, it can be in tiny type and a gray font, so it barely intrudes, but as long as it is readable, it should suffice. S Philbrick(Talk) 15:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Does it have to be on each page or can it be on a policy page such as deals with image matters?--Wehwalt (talk) 15:58, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
::::(sorry for butting in, pt 3) It could be on a policy page, but then they would be releasing every image on their site, which would include any advertisements, images of their auctioneers, etc. I would imagine they only want to release images of the auctioned items, and if that's the case, the clearest way to do that is to include a notice under the items in each page. This should be achievable without editing every page, for the sake of explanation it is kind of like transcluding on Wikipedia. An edit to one 'template' will make your browser show that notice. My concern with changing their entire image policy is that they later realize they did not want to do that and revert it. That concern could be unfounded however, just trying to say how I would do it if it was my site. PS if you want me to stop butting in just let me know :). Kees08 (Talk) 17:09, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::What I am proposing is that they add to their image policy "Images of items on this website that have been offered for sale by Heritage Auctions shall carry a CC-BY-SA-4.0 license when uploaded to a Wikimedia Foundation site and require the following credit line 'Courtesy of Heritage Auctions (or whatever they want)'."--Wehwalt (talk) 17:51, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::No, please don't stop butting in, by the way.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:57, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::I think wording like that would work fine, though I will default to Sphilbrick on if it is acceptable. Kees08 (Talk) 18:44, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::I will put either or both up to him, depending on what Sphilbrick says.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:04, 6 April 2020 (UTC)
::::::::{{u|Sphilbrick}} is the language I propose suitable? I'd like to nail this down before going back to the donor.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:56, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, Yes, I think it is acceptable. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:12, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
:::::::::{{u|Wehwalt}}, I take it as obvious (although past experience tells me that sometimes the obvious needs to be spelled out) that the site owner cannot license images that they are not the copyrightholder of, so the implication is that the site owner is the copyrightholder of all the coin images on their site. S Philbrick(Talk) 00:17, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
Statue of Liberty / "tradition of hope and welcome"
Not sourced in the body or the lede: maybe U're right . . but the Statue's role as icon of this tradition is probably the most important single point about it.
At the moment, any (eg) Indian or African reader wanting to follow up on a mention of the Statue, would be likely to give up reading having learned nothing except tht it's big, it's French, it's in New York, and (what s/he already knew) there seems to be tremendous fuss about it (but not why).
The omission makes u wonder why there isn't a section on the Statue's cultural significance / role in popular culture, alongside all the art history and engineering (!) - until u realise how hard it would be to even know where to start on writing one!
In the earlier discussion about this {{ U | Smallbones }} suggested some sources . . U clearly have a good grasp of the article . . Do U fancy seeing what U can do? - not, I mean, writing a whole section (unless U want to tackle that!): but an add-on, with source(s), to somewhere appropriate in the body, tht can then be picked up where it's most needed, in the lede?
--'' SquisherDa (talk) 16:18, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
::If you can find some sources, I can do some writing. Immigrants weren't always welcomed in the US, so the phrasing should be careful.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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::: According to Smallbones, his idea was simply to Google "statue of liberty welcoming immigrants" and work down the list. Though probably not to the end of it. The suggestions he came back with were these (the comments are his):
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- The National Park Service page [https://www.nps.gov/stli/learn/historyculture/the-immigrants-statue.htm The Immigrant's Statue] should serve quite well for this. But there are many others.
- The New Colossus all by itself might do it, but most wouldn't consider that a reliable source, maybe backed by https://www.thoughtco.com/statue-of-liberty-symbolize-immigration-1774050
- https://www.americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/08/03/statue-liberty-sign-welcome-our-immigration-fights-will-not-end interesting
- https://www.usatoday.com/story/college/2017/08/03/yes-statue-of-liberty-poem-is-linked-to-immigration-says-poets-biographer/37434523/ USA TODAY
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::: Careful phrasing: ain't that the truth! To a significant extent, the Statue is iconic of a myth rather than a reality - yep, huddled masses, do a spell on Ellis Island and then carry right on huddling in this here Big Apple. As a Brit, I wouldn't feel likely to get the right touch without very thorough study.
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:::'' SquisherDa (talk) 17:05, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks, all that is very helpful. I've added some based on the NPS page. I will add something to the lede.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:30, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
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[[Apollo 13]]
I just saw tomorrow's TFA. What a fantastic article. I know more people worked on it, but kudos (and thanks) to you and Kees08. --Floquenbeam (talk) 21:49, 10 April 2020 (UTC)
::Much obliged. It needed doing.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:27, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
:::No doubt your assembly is great. However I think your compromise reached on expressing starkly the program lost public interest, on all but the most generous reading, is still is a sort of slightly lazy journalism, I certainly understand that implication holds some water, but forgive the direct analogy, it would rather vaporise into the vacuum when put under any sort of pressure. It won't stand the test of time. I'm not going to bother to fix it (involving finding material to cite) as the nuance/connotation is only a tad too strong; most articles of similar profile are full of far worse examples. But know you this, public interest had waned but certainly was not needing this sort of 'renewal' as your article says. (Or the article as I don't think you are defending it out of your work but out of wp policy (hateful to my mind) mantra of Revert first then maybe find a fairer/better/nicer wording together), the space program at large was still in a very strong place, the shuttle program funding, Hubble etc still all being very successful. If we are going to use a neat, non-digressive shorthand then 'renewed' is not the verb one should choose. Billions doesn't lay itself on the science table without some degree of public consensus.- Adam37 Talk 09:05, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
:::My afterthought is one could always just say e.g. 'revived attention'. Most big newspapers were 'interested' in Apollo's discoveries and record-breaking let alone a huge contingent of the public who cared more about learning from space than fighting wars.- Adam37 Talk 09:13, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
::::Cutting to the chase: Would "revived public interest" do the trick? I can only judge by the sources as I was still a bit too young to be actively interested in such things. Thank you for your persistence.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:44, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Issue 38, January – April 2020
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Precious anniversary
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Today, I remembered the precious one who lit the torch, and used the sunrise template, for an editor who did great things, annoyed some people, including an unnamed one, so did more great things under a different name. You know how that ends. Not without irony, the unnamed one was also blocked, for the same "crime". If I was an admin I'd probably unceremoniously unblock the principal editor of Nocturnes (Debussy). So good that I am not ;) - Different question: will you schedule March TFAs? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for that. Yes, I will be scheduling late this week. I haven't done the selections yet.--Wehwalt (talk) 10:09, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
:: Fine, but could you perhaps give it a start, such as the first week? I remember criticising a former delegate for scheduling an hour in advance for Brian's Kathleen Ferrier. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:04, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
::: Is there one in particular?--Wehwalt (talk) 11:25, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
:::: no, just being able to prepare - I nominated one for 8 March (IWD), but the regular way per TFAR. I wonder about the proposed table (see nom), but believe while it's a good idea it should be a separate article, and the names (at least most) still in the FA. - Elsewhere, I'm more often told to word things in prose, rather than lists, tables, boxes. - I try to not interfer in the discussion. It's SusunW's first FA, and I wish my dear colleague and friend a smooth ride. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
::::::That's going to run. I am working on the list and I have to run it by the other coordinators so I will try to start scheduling on Wednesday.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you today for your part of Apollo 9, about "one of the more forgotten of the Apollo missions, but still an important stepping stone on the way to the Moon"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:35, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
Thank you today for Bridgeport, Connecticut, Centennial half dollar, about "a coin with P.T. Barnum on its face, which given the troubled commemorative coin market of the 1930s has led to the obvious description of buyers of this and other issues as suckers, born every minute. Given the scarcity of coin collectors these days, the "born every minute" is probably not accurate, anyway"! - I have Günter Kehr on the same page, on his centenary.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:43, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
:Thank you, sorry if I've been slow to respond, my laptop died.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:46, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:: No problem, the slowness, - no laptop is worse. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:51, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
:: Thank you today for what you did for South Pacific, a "musical which was a cultural phenomenon in its time. It ran for years, and both was a reflection of its time and helped to change them, because it also made a strong, intentional point against racism. Perhaps Rodgers and Hammerstein, and the latter's co-writer, Joshua Logan, had more to say in this musical than they did at any other time. Its songs have become classic; the original cast album was the best-selling album to be released in the 1940s."!
:::You are welcome. My pleasure.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:15, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
:::: Thank you - and all who helped - for Apollo 13, "about... the only Apollo mission people remember that isn't Apollo 11. The film cemented people's interest in this one, and they come here to find out what "really happened"."! - I have Willigis Jäger on the same page, an article I simply expanded because he recently died, and then two friend told me they studied with him, and two others knew him. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:35, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
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::Many thanks and happy Easter.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:56, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
:::: Thank you today for Hudson Sesquicentennial half dollar, about "another commemorative half dollar, but one that became controversial when the price was run up by coin dealers, as too often happened"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:26, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
::::: Thank you for that.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:02, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
White House Gift Shop
Hello! I've read about the White House Gift Shop's series of commemorative coins. The shop is privately owned and has sold a series of coins during Trump's administration, many of which have received at least a little press coverage. You might only be interested in "official" coinage, but I thought I'd put this radar in case you enjoyed writing a blurb about the memorial coin series. Either way, keep up the great work, and stay safe, ---Another Believer (Talk) 13:20, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
:Probably not, though I'll copyedit it if anyone else puts together something.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:02, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
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[[Operation Rösselsprung]] FAC
Hi Wehwalt, this FAC has been quite well patronised but I was hoping to see a review from someone outside the MilHist group (although not averse to military articles) -- do you think you'd have time soon-ish? Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 22:48, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
:That's fine. I'll do it tomorrow.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:24, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
Ran it up the flagpole
Many years ago you told me that an article I had spent 2 years writing, which I didn't find at all easy to even understand, which I took to FAC was an attempt of me to "[run] it up the flagpole to see who saluted, and rather got a piano dropped on you". 12 years later, your words still sting. After what you wrote there, I gave up entirely worrying about FAC. Just so you know. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 13:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
:I am sorry. I don't recall the circumstances but I am sorry if it caused you pain.--Wehwalt (talk) 13:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you. 12 years later, the USA PATRIOT Act article hasn’t really changed all that much, nor is it likely to. - Chris.sherlock (talk) 13:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
:::If you want to take another shot at it, perhaps I can make amends.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
[[Regine Velasquez|Regine]]
Hi Wehwalt! Hope all is well! Been idle for couple years and hunkering down gave me time to trim down and work on sourcing (which was the issue at the last FAC). Not much has changed on prose and content. Your inputs have been valuable during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Regine_Velasquez/archive1#Comments_by_Wehwalt PR] and the last [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Regine_Velasquez/archive1 FAC]. Trying my hand on bringing it back to FAC. Not sure if you're still around these days, but if you have the luxury of time, would appreciate your inputs at the FAC. Cheers! Pseud 14 (talk) 23:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
:Good to see you back. Will look in on it.--Wehwalt (talk) 23:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
:: Much appreciated! Cheers! Pseud 14 (talk) 17:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Space Shuttle FAC
Hello! I was wondering if you wouldn't mind taking a look at the Space Shuttle page and letting me know if you think it's ready to be nominated as a FAC. It was recently promoted to Good Article-status, and I'm hoping to continue its improvement. This would be my first FAC nomination, so I'm hoping to get some feedback from an experienced FA author. Thanks in advance! Balon Greyjoy (talk) 08:06, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
:Sure.--Wehwalt (talk) 09:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks! I appreciate the help! Balon Greyjoy (talk) 13:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
::Decided to nominate it! Looking forward to your feedback! Balon Greyjoy (talk) 13:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
:::I will get to it right after Regine just above. Good luck,--Wehwalt (talk) 15:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
''Ejruw chacerot'' in Mahwah
Hi, two years ago you took a photo (uploaded later into the Commons as: Eruv_recall_the_mayor.jpg). After including this illustration in the article on pl:wiki (Szabat) I got from the reader a question which one wire rope is the "eruv" element? Are they run with these white tubes on a pole (and then horizontally)? Jacek555 (talk) 09:53, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
:That is my understanding. The white (now changed to black) PVC pipe with the electric wires deemed the top.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:07, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
:: I see. I understood that it is certain that the picture shows the eruv border. Do they run horizontally? After all, it should be a border line. So why should it run vertically along the pole? Do you know? Jacek555 (talk) 17:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
:::Yes, it is the border of the eruv, though it is sometimes referred to as the eruv. My understanding is that the eruv border is a wall with a series of doorframes that take up virtually all of the length. Without posts, there could not be a frame (with the utility wires running it sideways) and thus it wouldn't be a wall, with the fictional wall being what allows the activities within its enclosure. But I am not Orthodox, and thus have never really dealt with eruvim, other than my inspection of the one I photographed in connection with the article about the controversy it caused. It has motivated me to look at telephone poles more closely. But any site about them could explain it better than I do.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Article Review
Hi Wehwalt,
To continue the conversation started on {{Re|Montanabw}}'s talk page, the article I created is Cornwall Electric. It's about one of Canada's oldest electric companies and it's one of my first articles. There is a book that was commissioned in 1987 for its 100-year anniversary that I would like to consult before declaring the article done, but so far because of the COVID-19 pandemic, I have been unable to reach the local library to see if they have it. I hope you enjoy reading the article, I thank you for your kind offer, and I look forward to your feedback! WILDSTAR talk'' 00:29, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:I will look at it as soon as I can.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
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Thank you for article improvements in May! - DYK our list of people for whose life I'm thankful enough to improve their articles? - I have a FAC open, one of Monteverdi's exceptional works, in memory of Brian who passed me his collected sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:23, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
:Thanks for that. I will look at it but it may have to wait until after I schedule.--Wehwalt (talk) 00:45, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:: Thank you for good comments. - [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Gerda_Arendt&oldid=958946560 today] a composer pictured who wrote a triple concerto for violin, harp and double bass, in honour of the composer who died and my brother who plays double bass. He was one of the two opening the Ring in Minden, DYK. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:39, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
:: Thank you for scheduling June TFAs! - I just came across a FA, SOLRAD 1, which would be good June 22, - too late? Then perhaps keep in mind for 22 September? - I somehow missed that it appeared already. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:12, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::: Thank you for those. I hope we get more articles on satellites and early space missions.--Wehwalt (talk) 21:37, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
:::: Your ears must ring a bit, Neopeius, - how about making the next number a FA? - Thank you for your excellent review of today's little DYK Liebster Jesu, wir sind hier! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
::::: I'm working on LES-2 as we speak. I've done a lot of soul-searching regarding FAs. I'm proud of the two I've done, but I feel like the community may be better served with more GA and B-class articles, especially since there are SO MANY satellites to cover. :) And it was my pleasure, Gerda. You're awesome. By the way, you may enjoy this, a show we're doing next Saturday: https://event.webinarjam.com/register/36/0048rf86 The Journey Show --Neopeius (talk) 01:27, 30 May 2020 (UTC) {{u|Gerda Arendt}} --Neopeius (talk) 02:49, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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Books & Bytes – Issue 39, May – June 2020
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[[The Minute Man]]
Hi Wetwalt. I think I addressed all of your comments. Please let me know if there is something I missed --Guerillero | Parlez Moi 02:15, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
[[History of the British farthing]] scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that the History of the British farthing article has been scheduled as today's featured article for July 10, 2020... Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:39, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
Hint
Believe it or not, I was already planning to do it this afternoon! Not many periodicals come through FAC and I figured I should give it a shot and having just put up another FAC I need to get some more reviews done. Should be today some time. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 19:30, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Congratulations! Glad to help.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Could you help me with my article [[Laura Harrier]]?
It's a Good Article and a current Featured Article nominee. It's been reviewed and edited significantly and three editors told me to look for other editors to review it. Here's the featured article page: Laura Harrier FAC. Please help. Thanks. Factfanatic1 (talk) 07:21, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
:I don't have time right this instant but if it hangs around FAC I will look at it.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:50, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
::Thank you! Factfanatic1 (talk) 17:15, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
Congratulations from the Military History Project
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:Congrats on your first Milhist A-Class Medal, Wehwalt! Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 01:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
:Thank you. I appreciate it very much. And thank you for all the work you do.--Wehwalt (talk) 06:00, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
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:Thanks. You've done a lot too.--Wehwalt (talk) 16:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
[[Robert Goff, Baron Goff of Chieveley]]
Hi Wehwalt, I hope you are keeping well. I'm reviewing the above at FAC. Do you happen to know if there's an accepted citation template for UK, as opposed to US, legal cases? As you'd expect with an article on a law lord, there are quite a few legal cases referenced but not in a standardised and consistent way. It would be helpful if I could point the first-time nominator, who's produced a grand piece of work, to a single template but having looked, I can only find the US style one. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 05:25, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
:I will look at it. I'm well and trust you are too.--Wehwalt (talk) 07:00, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
::Yep, good thanks. And thanks for taking a look. KJP1 (talk) 07:42, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Recent edit
Apologies for the revert on Woodes Rogers, I wasn't sure what the offending article was in question. Eastfarthingan (talk) 18:38, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
:That's fine. Sorry if I offended you by my own revert. Take care, it's been a while since I reviewed the sources but there's a Spanish version of events and an English one, and they are not the same. I forget which source discusses that.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:55, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
::Yes well aware. no problem. Eastfarthingan (talk) 19:03, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
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WikiProject Numismatics newsletter - July 2020
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{{TFAIMAGE|forgednote.jpg|A £5 note forged by the Jewish Sachsenhausen concentration camp prisoners}}
Operation Bernhard was an exercise by Nazi Germany to forge British bank notes. The initial plan was to drop the notes over Britain to bring about a collapse of the British economy during the Second World War. The first phase was run from early 1940 by the {{lang|de|Sicherheitsdienst}} (SD) under the title {{lang|de|Unternehmen Andreas}} (Operation Andreas, Operation Andrew). The unit successfully duplicated the rag paper used by the British, produced near-identical engraving blocks and deduced the algorithm used to create the alpha-numeric serial code on each note. The unit closed in early 1942 after its head, Alfred Naujocks, fell out of favour with his superior officer, Reinhard Heydrich.
The operation was revived later in the year; the aim was changed to forging money to finance German intelligence operations. Instead of a specialist unit within the SD, prisoners from Nazi concentration camps were selected and sent to Sachsenhausen concentration camp to work under SS Major Bernhard Krüger. The unit produced British notes until mid-1945; estimates vary of the number and value of notes printed, from £132.6 million up to £300 million. By the time the unit ceased production, they had perfected the artwork for US dollars, although the paper and serial numbers were still being analysed. The counterfeit money was laundered in exchange for money and other assets. Counterfeit notes from the operation were used to pay the Turkish agent Elyesa Bazna—code named Cicero—for his work in obtaining British secrets from the British ambassador in Ankara, and £100,000 from Operation Bernhard was used to obtain information that helped to free the Italian leader Benito Mussolini in the Gran Sasso raid in September 1943.
In early 1945 the unit was moved to Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp in Austria, then to the Redl-Zipf series of tunnels and finally to Ebensee concentration camp. Because of an overly precise interpretation of a German order, the prisoners were not executed on their arrival; they were liberated shortly afterwards by the American Army. Much of the output of the unit was dumped into the Toplitz and Grundlsee lakes at the end of the war, but enough went into general circulation that the Bank of England stopped releasing new notes and issued a new design after the war. The operation has been dramatised in a comedy-drama miniseries Private Schulz by the BBC and in a 2007 film, The Counterfeiters ({{lang|de|Die Fälscher}}). {{TFAFULL|Operation Bernhard}}
Today's Featured Article April 29
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The Hudson Sesquicentennial half dollar is a fifty-cent piece struck by the United States Bureau of the Mint in 1935 as a commemorative coin. The coin was designed by Chester Beach. Its obverse depicts the Half Moon, flagship of Henry Hudson, after whom the city of Hudson is named. In addition to showing the ship, the coin displays a version of the Hudson city seal, with Neptune riding a whale, a design that has drawn commentary. Although the city of Hudson was a relatively small municipality, legislation to issue a coin in honor of its 150th anniversary went through Congress without opposition and was signed by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, becoming the Act of May 2, 1935. Most of the coins were likely bought by coin dealers, leaving few for collectors, with the result that prices spiked from the $1 cost at the time of issue. This caused collector anger, but did not lower the coin's value, which has continued to increase in the 80-plus years since it was struck. {{TFAFULL|Hudson Sesquicentennial half dollar}}
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