User talk:Xenocidic/RFA#Response
In-depth RFA analysis: Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Xenocidic
My recent request for adminship passed as successful, however, several concerns were brought to my attention. This page is was intended to assist me in addressing these concerns. Please feel free to add your input, whether you were a participant in the RFA or otherwise. I would like to thank everyone for their comments. Further input can be made at my talk page. –xeno (talk) 14:14, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
{{caution|Warning: There are spoilers regarding the Ender's Game novel on this page within hidden {{TOClimit|limit=3}} John posed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=216243681&oldid=216242990 this question] which I answered [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=216248947&oldid=216243681 here]. This led him to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=216330096&oldid=216323981 oppose], citing the potentially divisive username as a minor part of his decision. He [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=216473175&oldid=215402405 expanded on his concern] on the talk page of the RFA, especially noting that Orson Scott Card (the author of Ender's Game, the novel from which my name is derived) "holds some pretty controversial views on subjects like gay marriage, global warming and the 'war on terror'" which I also [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FXenocidic&diff=216477790&oldid=216473175 answered], pointing out that I've never really paid any attention Card's personal/political/moral views. I'm just a fan of science fiction, and this particular series of novels. A concern of a more literal note is that "Xenocidic" can also mean "stranger killer" (literal translation from Ancient Greek) as explained by my adoptee Kangi under Q6 of the RFA. He said that he was apprehensive about taking me as his adopter due to this interpretation. style="background:87 CE EB;">Spoilers re: Ender's Game novel hidden style="text-align:left; background:240 248 255;"> Ender is a six-year old child prodigy who is co-opted by the International Fleet (Earth's space defense force) to receive intensive training in the IF Battle School in preparation for an oncoming invasion by an insectoid alien race known as the "buggers") that, if successful, would result in the elimination of the entire human race. During his training, he is promoted to Command School, where he participates in a number of increasingly difficult simulated space battles, successfully winning each one. At the end of these "tests", it is revealed to him that they were not in fact tests at all - he was in control of the International Fleet's batallion the whole time and had destroyed the entire alien race. Thus, while Ender is xenocidic (he has the capacity to bring about the destruction of an alien race), he never intended nor desired to commit xenocide. style="background:87 CE EB;">In a nutshell (could still be considered spoilerish) style="text-align:left; background:240 248 255;"> One who has the capacity to be xenocidic may in fact have no intention or desire to commit xenocide. Moonriddengirl, in a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215978139&oldid=215973972 thorough and well-written examination] of my deleted contributions, raised a concern about my usage of the tag "CSD A1". This went [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215981519&oldid=215978189 back] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215989781&oldid=215981519 forth] for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215996837&oldid=215993245 some time], as I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FXenocidic&diff=216001882&oldid=215997588 explained] how the articles met my understanding of A1. She [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FXenocidic&diff=216002873&oldid=216001882 confirmed] that I misunderstood A1, which I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=216003676&oldid=216002873 conceded]. {{user|Friday}}, thinking me a devil, played advocate with an [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FXenocidic&diff=216004563&oldid=216003676 exposition] about how admins sometimes need to ignore all rules, in particular noting that he would like to "see admins deleting whatever is obviously inappropriate by an understanding of the general goals and principles of the project". Moonriddengirl, showing her angelic side, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=216009344&oldid=216004563 rebuted], suggesting that admins should not "have the power to unilaterally delete articles". Realizing that this wider issue did not really apply to my RFA, she invited Friday to her talk page for drinks, and a healthy debate ensued regarding this matter which you can see at this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Moonriddengirl&oldid=216058722#You.27re_right permalink]. As for my RFA, she [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=216041254&oldid=216009344 clarified] that she had "otherwise overwhelming approval" of it and that she was "otherwise very impressed with [my] contributions, ... level-headedness and ... approach to Wikipedia". She suggested I "proceed cautiously while getting the hang of CSDs". {{cquote|No context. Very short articles lacking sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Example: "He is a funny man with a red car. He makes people laugh." Context is different from content, treated in A3, below.}} kmweber was an [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215562057&oldid=215553000 early opposer], stating in his edit summary that the candidate "assumes we all share his faults" and "fails to recognize that people can change their minds over time." Originally I had meant to let this comment stand on its own, but a well-meaning supporter [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215640059&oldid=215581769 asked for clarification] which led Bobet to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215641593&oldid=215640059 speculate] that it had to do with [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Guest9999&diff=213125536&oldid=213125275 my comment] at Guest9999's RFA self-nom in response to kurt's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Guest9999&diff=213116954&oldid=213116597 famous oppose statement]. My [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FXenocidic&diff=215425380&oldid=215423922 first oppose] came from Naerii, who felt that my answer to Q2 indicated somewhat weak mainspace contributions. For "best contributions", I had cited major cleanup efforts I did for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WeMix.com&diff=210842157&oldid=210834158 WeMix.com] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Realtime_Worlds&diff=206280510&oldid=205820330 Realtime Worlds], but I also noted template work and new article work. My nominator [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_adminship%2FXenocidic&diff=215427307&oldid=215425380 came to my defense], suggesting I "deserve[d] credit for trying to salvage an article [I] initially taged for speedy deletion" and that the difference between what Realtime Worlds looked like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Realtime_Worlds&oldid=205820330 before ]was "vastly different" than what it looked like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Realtime_Worlds&oldid=206280510 after]. I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215429499&oldid=215427761 clarified] as to why I left the "rewrite" tag on the article (in retrospect, it should have been removed). While Naerii was initially [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215544628&oldid=215543595 unconvinced], they later [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=216536744&oldid=216530826 deleted the entire oppose discussion and switched to support], citing a popular Eminem song in the edit summary as the justification for this change. Other concerns were more intangible, and some touched on the fact that I tend to focus heavily on video games. A somewhat minor concern as it was raised only in the support section, Jbmurray [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Xenocidic&diff=215881342&oldid=215879625 weakly supported] and wrote that "edits to [my] own user page far outnumber edits to any other; hence Xenocidic shows a tendency towards using WP as a social network" and also noted "blog-like activity" (my [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?&oldid=212609274 "Hello world"] monthly Wikipedia progress reports). Feel free to make any general comments or suggestions here. :Seriously, from your RfA, it looks like you are likely to make a few mistakes. So, remember, Wikipedia is fault-tolerant, you can make lots of mistakes with little harm if you are careful to ::(1)remember to assume good faith, so if, for example, you find it appropriate to block someone, assume -- no matter how hard it might be to do so when the editor has just replaced a featured article with obscenities -- that it was an unfortunate accident or some momentary lapse. Maybe the editor was showing someone how Wikipedia works, knowing it would be instantly reverted and therefore harmless (this actually happened to admin Ta bu shi da yu), and then his internet access froze up, so he couldn't fix it. You still block, if needed for protection, but very politely. ::(2)when you make a mistake, promptly admit it. Even if you think it wasn't a mistake, at least don't deny that it was a mistake. It just enrages people; make sure that someone telling you that you did something wrong knows, if they are paying any attention at all, that you heard their objection and you will carefully consider it. ::(3) Carefully consider it. For examples of what not to do, look at the desysopping of User:Physchim62 and User:Tango. Both remained convinced, to the end, that they had done nothing wrong. And that conviction was the only real reason they were desysopped. Everyone makes mistakes, but when people can't learn from them, can't understand why so many are upset, or, worse, start to believe that there is some conspiracy against them, in the end, they lose the trust of the community. ::(4)Never punish. Protect. Don't push the block button if you are angry with an editor, instead ask for help. :I'm confident that you will do well. Anyone who could comment as you did on Kurt Weber's Talk page isn't likely to be abusive. --Abd (talk) 02:49, 4 June 2008 (UTC) ::(moar advice copied from Abd's talk page) As you know, policy and guidelines play second fiddle to actual practice. Therefore you should make sure to keep the bucket firmly in place while pressing the buttons or swinging the mop. Otherwise you might have a point of view, and you would then be POV-pushing. If, by any accident, you should see anything with one eye, make sure to keep the other eye firmly closed, or else you might fall into depth perception, seeing things from more than one point of view simultaneously, and we all know how confused this can make us. --Abd (talk) 03:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC) =Congratulatory banter= (copied from my talk page) Image:Admin T-shirt.svggabsanalyze 01:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)]] Congratulations, I have just closed your RfA as successful and made you an administrator. Take a look at the administrators' how-to guide and the administrators' reading list if you haven't read those already. Also, the practice exercises at the new admin school may be useful. If you have any questions, get in touch on my talk page. WjBscribe 01:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :Congrats! Good luck with the mop! :D Malinaccier (talk) 01:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC) ::Hearty congratulations on your new tools. Please let me know if I can ever help you in any way. --John (talk) 01:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :And congrats on your approval as well! — Huntster (t • @ • c) 01:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC) ::(ec x2)Congratulations!!!!! Hope you enjoy the tools... (like you won't) Thingg⊕⊗ 01:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :::Thank you all. Can someone direct me to the "delete main page" button? ;> xenocidic ( talk ¿ listen ) 01:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC) ::::Right [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_weapons here]. Thingg⊕⊗ 01:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :::::Congrats on the admin tools!!! Cheers, Razorflame 01:48, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Hey, look! I buried my congrats in the garden that be your talk page! Well, congrats. I'm sure you'll ::::Good luck as an admin! You stole my header! ;) Rudget (Help?) 12:28, 7 June 2008 (UTC) I don't know you, but congrats on your new adminship! --Justpassin (talk) 01:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :As the first to support your RFA, I'm the first to congratulate you on passing. Wait, no. Not even close. Useight (talk) 01:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC) You've got a slight typing error in this section, where you have "Wisdom89 was an early was an early strong supporter". Useight (talk) 02:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :Thanks for pointing that out! xenocidic (talk) 02:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Between the possibly divisive connotations of xenocidic vs. Xeno, I think I'd go with your current name. Just my opinion though. Congrats btw. dorftrottel (talk) 04:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Lol at your summary: "While Naerii was initially unconvinced, they later deleted the entire oppose discussion and switched to support, citing a popular Eminem song in the edit summary as the justification for this change." - it makes me sound so crazy when written formally like that! I just realised that my concerns were kind of petty, and seeing as I supported Evula in her recent RFB even after seeing her mention somewhere that she hasn't written much in the articlespace I figured it would be hypocritical not to support you for admin. It's nice that you're taking opposes into account rather than taking a stance of "well I've passed now, I can forget all that crap", though. My exams are over soon (in 6 hours as a matter of fact :o) so if you need any help writing articles over the summer I'd be glad to assist (personally I'm going to be writing some boring history stuffs). Improving an article to GA or FA can be pretty daunting on your own, so I'd be happy to help out if you like :) And the edit summary was just me pissing about I guess; I rarely if ever use edit summaries and when I do remember I can never think of anything to say, so sometimes I just quote whatever I happen to be listening to at the time (how embarassing to admit that I listen to Eminem :(). Congrats on passing your RfA. naerii - talk 04:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :Not embarrassing at all - Eminem rocks! or raps... or something... Sorry, I didn't meant to make you out to seem crazy, I wrote it that way for comedic effect. =) (I can change it if you want) I must admit I did have a chuckle when I read it. at first I was like... wtf? until I realized where it was from. Still, I was rather confused - thanks for clearing that up for me. and I might take you up on that offer, though, my area of expertise... well,... it's been getting some scorn from the GA/FA review projects recently. as for addressing the opposes, I feel that they are the most important part of the RFA, they really need to be taken into account and you need to look at how you can improve for the betterment of the encyclopedia as a whole. anyways, thanks again. xenocidic (talk) 04:22, 4 June 2008 (UTC) ::Lmao it's fine, it cracked me up :P I've seen some grumbling about the video game wikiproject in FAC recently but I wouldn't take it to heart if I were you; most of the articles I write are about albums and that area is looked down on just as much as video games are and to be honest I give about this <-> much of a shit ;) So yeah just let me know if you want any assistance with anything (wikis are all about collaboration after all) - I'm not the world's best writer but I enjoy expanding articles (people will just have to deal with my amateur prose - you know it's really ironic since I got 94% in my English Literature A Level). naerii - talk 04:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Hey Xenocidic, I hope you weren't offended/put off by my switch (seemingly at the last minute) to a weak oppose. Nothing personal of course. I do think you're a strong contributor/editor, but after revisiting the discussion, the CSD tagging took me somewhat aback. I swayed back and forth about it for a while before changing my !vote. I think you'll make a good admin though, just as long as you don't bite the newbies by tagging an A7 as an attack page : ) Wisdom89 (T / C) 04:37, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :Offended - not at all - I've come to respect your contributions to the RFA process and I know you wouldn't have done that without deep deliberation. No hard feelings whatsoever. Truthfully, I didn't expect to be at RFA so soon, I really did want some coaching on the CSD stuff - but no matter. I'll have to learn on the job =) xenocidic (talk) 04:42, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Congrats on your RFA, When you find your feet let me know as 2 coaches are better than one and i'd be honoured to have you aboard once more. I have only known you for a short time, but your kindness, approachability, knowlege and did I mention kindness? makes me proud to be a Wikipedian and makes you one of the best new admins ever :) User:Prom3th3an 12:25, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Congratulations on getting the mop. Now it's time to see if what they say is true: "be careful what you wish for, for you will surely get it..." I was especially interested because your RfA was the first one for an editor that I actually knew before seeing the RfA. Wikipedia needs more like you - see you around! Frank | talk 11:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC) |style="text-align:center;"| Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ThisIsaTest&curid=13223584&diff=217008447&oldid=217008182 here]. Took me a moment to get it and realise I still had the test account on my automatic watchlist -- but that was great. Thanks for the morning laugh and congrats. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:30, 4 June 2008 (UTC) :LOL, (In Soviet Russia, username blocks YOU!) is a close second, but the mathematical one is still my favorite. Morning laughs are always a good thing. TravellingCarithe Busy Bee 13:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Congrats on your successful RFA! If you need anything or have any questions or want a 2nd opinion, feel free to drop me a line any time!. Chrislk02 Chris Kreider 16:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC) Congrats!!!!I new you would pass!!!! Mr. GreenHit Me UpUserboxes has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and happy editing! Yeah, well, there's only like one person on Wikipedia who I think possibly deserves to be an admin more than you and now you are one. Also, great idea with RfA analysis page. Maybe I'll get a chance sometime to :Dang it! ¬_¬ (I was thinking: ok, they know I'm weird already, but maybe that's going a little too far....) Thingg⊕⊗ 17:40, 4 June 2008 (UTC) ::Also, are you using {{tl|Adoption backlog/count}} for anything other than {{tl|Adoption backlog}}? If you aren't you could probably delete (man, that's weird suggesting that you delete something...) that page because I transcluded the text of that page into the userbox page. Thingg⊕⊗ 17:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC) I missed your RFA!, Here's my after-the-fact support, and congrats on the mop. ⇒SWATJester Son of the Defender 00:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC) ::My congratulations and support for you in your new responsibility! Vishnava talk 02:03, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :::Late congrats from me too. I honestly thought I had supported you. My mistake! — MaggotSyn 07:58, 5 June 2008 (UTC) Three cheers and a tiger for your successful RfA! Ecoleetage (talk) 02:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC) :I'm glad for your success. And please don't take negative comments raised in the RfA discussion to heart. If you can recall the old Rick Nelson song "Garden Party," it had the lyric: "See, you can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself." If you're satisfied with yourself, then ultimately that is all that matters. So...what's your first order of Admin business? Who's going to be the first person to get blocked by the Xenocidic mop of justice? :) Be well. Ecoleetage (talk) 13:07, 5 June 2008 (UTC) ::Eh, blocking mannequins doesn't count! Some lucky person will be your first block -- they should be happy they are contributing to your Admin history. However, if I knew you were stealing jokes from Yakov Smirnoff, I would've voted Super Strong Oppose :::Well done! Glad to hear of your success :-) Lradrama 15:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC) Congratulations on getting your adminship. I'd write something more meaningful if I had more time, but this is all for now. StaticGull Talk 17:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC) I can't remember what the encounter was. But it must have been good :). Congrats again, have a good day. <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 17:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC) For some reason I put this on my own talk page. Grats on the RFA again :). <3 Tinkleheimer TALK!! 06:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC) Congrats on becoming a Admin. ElectricalVandilize Me 13:33, 8 June 2008 (UTC) I saw that you were named an administrator even though I have only dealt with you a little. Congratulations. Chris (talk) 18:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC) :The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.Potential for username to be divisive
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stealcopy that idea sometime. As for your other idea, I dunno man. I [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AThingg&diff=217096471&oldid=217055917 still make mistakes] with CSD tagging (though this one was a result of misunderstanding how Twinkle works) and that definitely would not help me very much, especially considering my lack of CSD participation was a major factor in the failure of my rfa. (that, along with my boneheaded answers to the questions....) Anyway, I think I should probably wait until late June at the absolute earliest before trying again. Either way, I don't really need the tools to do what I do (though me having them might make some of the guys at AIV happier.....) and if I do need an admin for something like a move-over-redirect, I know exactly who to ask ;) so it's no big deal if I don't have the tools. Not to say I wouldn't like to have them, I would, but I'm basically saying that I can still make good (even great....well... ;) ) contributions to Wikipedia without them. So yeah. Congrats on your Rfa (again). It's really cool you passed it. Anyway, talk to you later. Thingg⊕⊗ 17:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)= holy crap =
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