Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive105#User:Doom127 block or warning request

User:Michaellovesnyc has been making repeated edits that push his point of view on Mail-order bride. User:24.45.47.102 is also obviously him (they both edit mail-order bride almost exclusively and Michael responds on the anon user's talk page). Michael's changes have been discussed on his talk page and elsewhere, and he seems unable to accept that most of his edits are violations of Wikipedia policy. After I warned him on about the inappropriateness of his edits on his talk page and drew his attention to a mediator's opinion Michael made a new series of edits, including restoring the disputed material, falsely claiming "the mediator is on my side". His latest preferred version of the article is worse than ever, with vast amounts of OR and POV material, including blaming "feminist groups who distort the truth" for a law and bringing up unsourced stories "which the media will not report". He hasn't discussed any of these most recent changes on the article talk page, but has referred to me as a "know-it-all" and "cyber thug" who is trying to "intimidate" him and others. I reverted the page and mentioned it again on his talk page but I suspect he will keep reverting to his favorite version. Perhaps I should have brought this to Requests for mediation instead, but I think this is a matter of multiple blatant violations of policy, not just an unpopular point of view that would need mediation between two sides. Editors (especially Gavin) have been trying to reason with Michael for months (he has also been warned about vandalism before, but removed the warnings from his talk page). What should be done next? --Grace 22:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:I happen to agree with Michael's (ostensible) point-of-view, but I think his repeated insertions are rather disruptive; in any event, he seems not to appreciate WP:NPOV, WP:OR, WP:NOT, WP:RS, and WP:V. In order that the community might express their views apropos of his conduct, and in order, perhaps, that he might be edified as to how properly to edit with respect to Mail-order bride and surrounding issues, in order that his sometimes valuable contributions might be used, you might do well to open a user-conduct RfC. In situations such as this, it is always advisable, IMHO, to seek community participation and evaluation; a consensus will likely develop for or against Michael's edits, and he (or those who think him to be editing wrongly) might better understand how best to edit. Joe 22:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::Mediators from the Mediation Cabal have agreed that he's disruptive, but other than that consensus has been difficult to achieve, since only about 3 users have paid any attention to this article in the long-term (him and two who oppose him). He's certainly been informed of how his edits and conduct violate Wikipedia policy, but he seems to view these warnings as threats. I will be pursuing RfC. Thank you. --Grace 03:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I mentioned this above and got no response. If there is somewhere else I should go, please let me know where to take it.

See personal attacks [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AArticles_for_deletion%2FSankta_lusse&diff=56224544&oldid=56214889], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABigDT&diff=56223583&oldid=56220112], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ABigDT&diff=56124943&oldid=56025016]

See uninteligible English [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bible_society&diff=56222910&oldid=56128247]

See user's other contributions ... basically, everything is along these lines [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Guillen]

BigDT 23:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:Absolutely nothing constructive coming from that account, but I still have to think that he's just doing what he thinks is best. I left a final warning on his talk page; let me or anyone else know if he continues behaving as such, as I think a block would then be in order. AmiDaniel (talk) 00:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::Thank you BigDT 00:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:I've now blocked him for a week after he posted a personal attack on my talk page, which attacked Protestants and others on Wikipedia. I checked his contribs since I posted a last warning and saw that he is still editing in the same fashion, deliberately inserting bias and attacking other religions and individuals. Anyone who finds the block inappropriate may feel free to lengthen, shorten, or remove it altogether. AmiDaniel (talk) 00:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Pantherarosa was listed on WP:PAIN for making personal attacks against User:Melca. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Personal_attack_intervention_noticeboard&diff=53655631&oldid=53568718] When I looked into the situation, I noticed that Pantherarosa had been removing warnings. I restored the warnings and add the do not remove warnings tag to his/her talk page. This caused Pantherarosa to start attacking me. I elevated the NPA warnings but (s)he continued. I continued to elevate the warnings but to no avail. I became annoyed and made one incivil remark to Pantherarosa. InShaneee posted a NPA warning on my page. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Cyr&diff=prev&oldid=53942939] When I contacted him about it [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:InShaneee&diff=53964019&oldid=53960262], he admitted that my comments were not personal attacks, but still refused to change the warning. He also said that all of my edits violated WP:CIVIL [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Cyr&diff=prev&oldid=53966767], when in fact there was only one. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Cyr&diff=prev&oldid=53968740] When I asked him for an explaination[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:InShaneee&diff=53969882&oldid=53969378], he pretty much resorted to "it is because I say so". [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Cyr&diff=prev&oldid=53969706] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Cyr&diff=prev&oldid=54134100] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Cyr&diff=prev&oldid=54198095] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Cyr&diff=prev&oldid=54243698]

Secondly, one of my comments was incivil towards Pantherarosa who had repeatedly made personal attacks against me. Wikipedia's policies go for all users regardless of circumstances, so an incivil warning should stay on my talk page. However, because I had made one incivil comment toward the other user, InShaneee refused to block Pantherarosa. Not only is this a double standard, but I was not even the one who had the brunt of Pantherarosa's attacks. As another user said on InShanne's talk page: Obviously you aren't interested to even consider that your action isen't the proper conduct of an experienced administrator. I agree with this completely, and to add on that InShaneee is refusing to punish Pantherarosa to make a point to me, even though I wasn't even the person Pantherarosa was originally attacking. The full discussion on WP:PAIN is here: Wikipedia:Personal attack intervention noticeboard#Pantherarosa (talk • contribs) Paul Cyr 21:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

: Administrator, User:InShaneee exhibited a double standard when blocking me. He blocked me and stated on my Talk Page, "You have been blocked for 24 hours for disruption. If a user comes here, to an encyclopedia, asking for information, it shouldn't be difficult to point him to such info". However, I spelled out for him expilicity how the answers I gave, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AScientology&diff=53436018&oldid=53210255 difference], were w links that are sometimes in and sometimes out of the article, Scientology but are the most direct possible answers to the user's specific question. I also spelled out to him why the link answering, "when did the present Church of Scientology start?" is not present in the article today. InShaneee came up with the term, "linkspamming" to describe his blocking me for that answer. Then, in discussion on my talk page, User:InShaneee he made me a promise. "Fax us over some of those high-level OTs and I PROMISE you it'll get fixed up." [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ATerryeo&diff=53543150&oldid=53540971] Left unsaid was "I'm with the Cartel, you should betray Scientology and Fax "us" confidential documents." Whether he is aware or not, such an invitation is unethical to make and would be unethical to fulfill.Terryeo 22:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

: I agree with both users above. User:InShaneee's conduct is not proper for an administrator. There's more to being an admin than giving warnings out like candies and refusing to discuss related issues. User:InShaneee was adamant that accusing someone of trolling even if they are a troll constitutes as a personal attack, when I displayed that he himself has accused other users of trolling and that it's hypocritical he blocked me for 24 hours in retaliation.--Eupator 03:12, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::Being unpopular is usually par for the course for admins, especially those who have SP type roles. I personally think that InShaneee is a good lad, a bit of a laugh. Thanks. Wallie 05:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::: I believe our statements don't address his sense of humor, but address his judgement. Though his sense of humor would be a subject that might be explored. :) Terryeo 05:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:::You know what's even funnier? I was warned by InShaneee for making a similar remark as Wallie just did. I imagine that if you weren't defending him, he'd give you a civility warning. In fact, mocking a complaint is incivil, so why don't you deserve a warning? Paul Cyr 20:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::::I realise you were hurt at my comments. I have said sorry on your talk page. I did not want to get in the way of your compliant. Wallie 00:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::For the record, I have no problem with being called "a good lad". :) --InShaneee 00:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

::Inshaneee is quite right in saying that calling someone a troll is a personal attack even if they are trolling. Just like calling an obese person "fat" is a personal attack. Just like calling someone with cerebral palsy a "spastic" is a personal attack. Just like telling an ugly person they're ugly is a personal attack. Just like calling someone with low intelligence "dumb" is a personal attack. I could go on but I think you get the message. The accuracy or otherwise of a personal attack does not make it any less a personal attack. In fact, usually the accurate personal attacks are the most hurtful. Snottygobble 05:38, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Not always. WP:NPA is pretty clear that the comment may be considered personal attack "if said repeatedly, in bad faith, or with sufficient venom." If it is a relevant and fundamentally informative observation, then by definition it's not a personal attack. FeloniousMonk 05:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::::Calling anyone a troll is always wrong. It is a device to get your own way when editing articles. Wallie 18:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::::I agree with Snottygobble on this. There is an additional argument here about not feeding trolls; calling a troll a troll is an indication to them that they have provoked an emotional response, and as such is an incitement to troll some more. Better just to leave the default messages. --bainer (talk) 13:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::Eupator, can you provide diffs of where InShaneee accused others of trolling? I just want to make sure all claims are linked to with diffs so that we don't have people accusing others of lying. Paul Cyr 05:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::: Just look at his contributions, you will find many instances such as this [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Terryeo&diff=53436764&oldid=53436608], I merely pointed out that it's hypocritical for which he blocked me for 24 hours.--Eupator 15:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::::Don't see anything wrong. Will (^E_@) T 17:59, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I was not going to engage in this, partly because I qualified InShaneee warning against me, Eupator and Paul Cyr as a lack of experience from this administrators part, but to my surprise having seen him/her sign a disput which I don't ever remember having seen him/her even being engaged in or involved in or having even edited those articles or their talk page [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ARequests_for_comment%2FFadix&diff=54091641&oldid=50756937], I had to conclude that this was a retaliation to my remark about him/her [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:InShaneee&diff=prev&oldid=53970525], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Paul_Cyr&diff=prev&oldid=54079543]. Administrators should not act like this, retaliating against a user like this reflect immaturity. Also, I am troubled that some veterans find it nothing wrong about InShaneee block against Eupator. While in practice there is nothing wrong in blocking someone for not respecting a guideline or policy, that the principal alleged victim here of Eupator remark was InShaneee, and to the measure that he/she took the decision to block him, I believe, InShaneee made this something personal and obviously reflect unexperience and somehow a lack of judgement. Also, that Lutherian is a troll, I will repeat this and should never be blocked for this. A checkusers has reflected that he is indeed a troll, he has done nothing in Wikipedia other then trolling and slandering members. Insteed of provoquing veterans of Wikipedia by giving warnings because those veterans have retaliated against a troll, he/she should work to prevent such things to happen. Fad (ix) 18:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:Calling someone a troll is no different than calling someone a vandal - the characterization should only be made when assuming good faith is no longer reasonable. Otherwise, it shouldn't be considered a personal attack, as it indicates specifically whether an editor's edits primarily disrupt Wikipedia; it doesn't address any personal trait. HKT 20:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

::I agree, though I think in most cases there are far better alternatives to using such terms. If a troll needs to be dealt with, he should certainly be dealt with, but I just don't see how saying "You're a troll" solves anything in most cases. --InShaneee 21:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:::True. When it comes to warning others, though, "Watch out - he's a troll" is easier than "A high percentage of his edits exhibit trolling, and this trolling is further reflected in his edit summaries and talk page remarks." Nevertheless, I think that "You're a troll" would violate WP:CIVIL rather than WP:NPA. HKT^Talk 22:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

:::: This discussion has been extensive about how to address a user, specifically the use of the term "troll", "vandal", characterization of individual editors, etc. Those were not the issues which brought this discussion into existence. InShaneee's (viewed by some editors) inappropriate blocking, inappropriate administrator behaviour was what brought this "good lad's" actions into discussion. Not the words he used, but the actions he took. To revolve around the words used denies the central issue which was the actions he took and the basis he took those actions on. Terryeo 06:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

While were discussing this, these edits were given before and shortly after Pantherarosa received the final warning tag: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pantherarosa&diff=prev&oldid=53828928 edit summary] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pantherarosa&diff=prev&oldid=53778025] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Melca&diff=prev&oldid=53776923] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Personal_attack_intervention_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=53776730] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pantherarosa&diff=prev&oldid=53772169] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pantherarosa&diff=prev&oldid=53771327] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Pantherarosa&diff=prev&oldid=53759452 blatant attack] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Mohammed_Mossadegh&diff=prev&oldid=53597725] and yesturday she made two more personal attacks as shown here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Personal_attack_intervention_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=55105783] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Personal_attack_intervention_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=55108115]. Specifically, It cannot be tolerated that a kid playing snitch spreads unproven rumors at his fancy! and I do not wish to have to deal with trolling and bad faith slanderous kids. Pantherarosa has already received countless warnings and I believe has begun using [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedia:Suspected_sockpuppets_of_Pantherarosa sockpuppets] to attack me as well. Could someone please block him/her? Given the edit histories of the suspected sockpuppets, I think it's reasonable to assume that they are Pantherarosa's. Therefore I ask that they be blocked indefinately, and the actions by Pantherarosa factored into the action to be taken. Paul Cyr 21:47, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

:Am I having hallucinations or am I really being trolled by {{RPA}} making bad faith, slanderous assertions, aimed at smearing my (and others') name?? Would all that be in anybody's interest, i wonder? In case I am not having hallucinations, should this {{RPA}} individual be tolerated here, playing all sorts of pranks and wasting everybody's precious time? {{RPA}} In case this theorem applies, i wonder how he could be helped, maybe by keeping his access blocked for a while, to to give him time for reflection; perhaps, as a consequence, leading to the possible revelation that he actually does not contribute a thing to this ENCYCLOPAEDIA but merely exhausts editors and admins with futile and bothersome trolling? His contributions log, in any event, is conspicuous with similar actions and I have chosen to observe it on my watch list. Pantherarosa 10:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

::I've removed the personal attacks, the diff is here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=55403715] Paul Cyr 20:43, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

I was blocked by this user while having a dispute with him, an obvious violation of WP:BP, this user has abused his powers numerous times and is out of hand , he thinks it is ok to call anyone and everyone a troll. I think something should be done about him.--GorillazFan Adam 00:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I've been waiting over a week for a response! Could admins please take action? Paul Cyr 21:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:After the edit I had made yesterday on this board InShanee maliscosly blocked me, I find this to be an abuse of admin powers and ask that an honest admin please unblock me.--User:GorillazFanAdam

• 21:15, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Hamburgers on Holy Wheels}}
• 21:19, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|IEatChildren}}

Also, {{user|Wikpedia}} has good intentions according to his contribs, but is his username OK?-- The ikiroid  03:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:First two indef-blocked. Looking into Wikipedia. AmiDaniel (talk) 03:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::Let me just drop User:Wikpedia a friendly note, no need to angrily blocked. Actually, in retrospect, probably what I should have done before blocking IEatChildren. AmiDaniel (talk) 03:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::Note dropped. AmiDaniel (talk) 03:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:::I eat children, too, but I don't brag about it. ;-) I corrected the username in AmiDaniel's post. -- Kjkolb 07:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Just to let you know the following page is either a false entry or subject of vandalism:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animism

:Fixed. Antandrus (talk) 04:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please have a look at the newly-created account {{User|-shill-}}. I'm about to have lunch now, but the ~~~~ signature in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chooserr&diff=prev&oldid=56301656 this message] makes me suspicious. AnnH ♫ 11:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:Blocked as sock or imitation. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 12:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Some admin deleted this template without closing the TfD debate going on about it. The TfD had a majority voting for keep, with one "Kill with Fire". Isn't 6/1 basically consensus, and if it isnt, doesn't non-consesnsus default to Keep? If possible, please undelete Template:User_no_notability or at least get me the code so I can put it back on my userpage. -- Chris Ccool2ax contrib. 13:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• It got T1-ed. - Mailer Diablo 15:07, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
• It doesn't really fit the criteria, and why didn't they try to post something on the ongong TfD? -- Chris Ccool2ax contrib. 21:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Is this name kosher?

• 00:44, June 1, 2006 {{vandal|Admin@samriposta.com}}

:Don't see why not. The fact it's an email address means it's very unlikely that anyone will mistake him/her for a Wikipedia admin. Suspect this user won't have many useful contributions to make though. The Land 14:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, {{user|Openland}} has created about 4 or 5 new accounts.-- The ikiroid  13:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:Can you tell us what they are? The Land 14:22, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&user=Openland the logs]. --Cyde↔Weys 14:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

{{User2|Stupidkit}} This user is proposing the deletion of random notable articles for reasons of their chosing. Some of these are because they dislike the character. Yanksox 15:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:Banned. --Golbez 15:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::Good. Stupidity-only account. Bishonen | talk 15:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC).

I'm having trouble getting the {{article|Golden Dawn tradition}} page unprotected. We have reached a semi-consensus and {{User|Frater_FiatLux}} is misunderstanding the situation. I have also filed a complaint of his violation of Incivility at Wikipedia:Civility_noticeboard#Frater_FiatLux. Can anyone please explaine to me how to get this article unprotected? Zos 17:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::This infra user “Zos”, has harassed and beleaguered all my comments to the talk area discussion and has taken it upon himself to frequently misrepresent out of context every posting I have made. I want to place my own compliant about this unscrupulous user, can someone send me details please.

The reason for this: “Zos”, is in cahoots with user “JMAX555”, that has instigated this most recent disputation due to performing defamatory and libellous edits on the Golden Dawn article. To which I have rightfully contested and made a stand against.

I reiterate that this user “Zos”, wants me to be removed from the board as I am the only person rivalling his crusade to deform the present, and rightfully protected article, in to “JMAX555” libellous version. The motives of both these wikipedia users is that they’re both part of the same order, that has a vested interest in propagating anti HOGD/A+O, propaganda and distorting the facts.

I have submitted an array of evidence such as public domain court affidavits from the original source with comprehensive explanations on why the present un tampered version of the article is the correct, verifiable, and most neutral. Please see the discussion page for the Golden Dawn article in question, where I have fully validated all of my comments comprehensively.

Furthermore, this user “Zos” has in an unprincipled manner made an advertisement on the discussion page to announce and invite people to join in, to attempt to kick me off the discussion forum for the Golden Dawn article. The reason being “Zos” and “JMAX555” have no answers to my postings and are simply seeking now in a last attempt at trying to silence me. Solely so that they can carry onto try and approve a defamatory version of the article

I have adhered with recitude to Wikipedia's protocols fully throughout.

Frater FiatLux 17:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:My take on this is that as soon as the article is unprotected, the edit war will begin again. Jkelly 18:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::Dear J Kelly:

Well to make a first step:

If JMAX555 would agree not to make unannounced, clearly libellous and defamatory changes to the HOGD/A+O article entry, then I would be happy. Furthermore, I wouldn’t instigate any editing war if this were to be agreed. But JMAX555 has changed the HOGD/A+O article entry in a defamatory tone, when he is no part of that organisation and a leader of the opposition that is currently in litigation. This is why I have protested. If he stops and leaves the HOGD/A+O entry alone, as it has nothing to do with him, other than change it in an biased unprincipled manner; then that would be a start for me.

Frater FiatLux 18:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::JKelly: I agree. If Fiat Lux would care to make his "first step" proposal to the Discussion section, I will respond. - JMax555 19:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::Dear fellow Users, this is a section of a reply that I made to "JMAX555" on the Golden Dawn article talk page. I include it here as it address "JMAX555" supra comment.

You'll have to wait for my offer, as I will have to find the relevant page, or method in which to submit it, and furthermore, I‘m not on the Internet, permanently, twenty-four hours a day either. I‘ll submit the compromise in due course, very shortly, when I know where and who to make it to. I do not feel this is unreasonable, so there’s no value in being disingenuous towards me taking time to make my submition of the compromise. I can assure the mediator that I will definitely be producing this compromise very shortly.

In the meanwhile, I feel, all messages should be suspended to the GD article talk page, and no more past disputation pages should be pasted to the present disputation, as it will only confuse matters. The mediator will need time to go through the information on this page, it is only now fair to the mediator to leave further pointless disputing and actually put all efforts into compromise and sorting this out with the mediator directly. I will find out exactly who and where to serve my "first step" as you put it.

Frater FiatLux 01:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

This user is going through and mass-prodding/AFDing articles for having no inbound wikilinks or (in his opinion) for having been tagged for cleanup for too long. It's highly disruptive, and the vast majority of these pages seem to be useful and perfectly viable pages that (big surprise) just need to be cleaned up and expanded. The whole mess feels like a WP:POINT violation, and I'm mentioning it here in the hope that someone with more authority than me can call time out and figure out a better course of action. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 17:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:A glance at his contributions show that his 'mass-prodding' seems to be mainly articles by Edbon3000, who periodically creates dozens of articles at a time about the Filipino film industry which have no verification whatsoever and have frequently been deleted. He has never deigned to communicate with editors despite entreaties on his talk page. The one article I remember him creating that was actually on a notable and verifiable person, Rogelio De La Rosa, was actually inaccurate from start to finish and had to be completely rewritten (by me, in fact). See User:Proto/actors for more on this.

:Nominating Edbon's articles for deletion is not only not WP:POINT but probably the best course of action. Has he prodded any articles, Steak, that you can find reliable sources for? --Sam Blanning^(talk) 17:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::The first one that caught my eye was Manning Island (Australian gov't source on article page), but here are a few others: Luis Rodriguez Varela([http://books.google.com/books?q=%22Luis+Rodriguez+Varela%22&btnG=Search+Books&as_brr=0 books]), Jacobo Fijman([http://books.google.com/books?q=%22Jacobo+Fijman%22&btnG=Search+Books&as_brr=0 books]), and Leiner Health Products([http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5072/is_10_25/ai_99125165 coverage of one recent deal], [http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_km4476/is_200604/ai_n16334218 huge accident at one of their plants], [http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_km4476/is_200604/ai_n16334218 23rd-largest private company in Los Angeles, $600M in annual revenue], [http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN1853839418&id=-yRfL4Q_t0cC&pg=RA1-PA100&lpg=RA1-PA100&dq=%22leiner+health+products%22&sig=osCVe5ZTcTWbIpmrAAxPpSbJLSY top American manufacturer of nutritional supplements as of 1997], [http://books.google.com/books?vid=ISBN0822333740&id=mWw0iefgg5AC&pg=PA164&lpg=PA164&dq=%22leiner+health+products%22&sig=8EWfyuGumGu-WR_b5Om2IC9jhTI top US manufacturer of nutritional herbs], etc.). There are probably others (in fairness, there are some real clunkers, too, and all the Filipino stuff looks more reasonable now that I know the context). We're interacting in a civil fashion on his talk page, so this might resolve itself without fisticuffs or explosions. -Hit bull, win steak^(Moo!) 19:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Not sure if this is the right place to put this, but User:Conradege is adding a lot of categories about the television programme Oz. Old categories about the show had been deleted, they are currently up for deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion_review#Oz categories . Maybe someone could have a look? Inner Earth 17:23, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

So far he hasn't added back any categories that were previously deleted. He's separating out the characters on the show by position (guard, prisoner, and visitor) rather than by gang. I don't think this qualifies as an incident. --Cyde↔Weys 17:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

{{vandal|68.112.25.197}} has made numerous personal attacks on me as well as User:Abu badali, such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iron_Maiden&diff=prev&oldid=56263423 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Clive_Burr&diff=prev&oldid=56264363 here], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tony_Parsons_%28British_Guitarist%29&diff=prev&oldid=56264993 here], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul_Day&diff=prev&oldid=56265216 here] (as well as other edits in the users contributions). This seems to stem from the fact that I have removed images from articles (that this user may have uploaded as User:Padgett22, User:Onlyslighted, and/or User:Steph11 ... I am not sure how to report/check sockpuppets, though User:Meegs seems to think Padget22 and Onlyslighted are one in the same) that are either unsourced or images that are not being used in fair use (most particularly when the image is from a DVD cover and is being used illustrate the person, not the creative property). Also, last evening/this morning, he vandlised my user page. While these actions do not deter my Wikipedia resolve in anyway, I felt that it might be best to bring this up here and let the possible appropriate people look into these actions. Thanks. -- MOE.RON ^{talk | done | doing'''} 18:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:PS. Previous (and possibly) relevant ANI discussions can be found here and here as they deal with the same actions and possibly the same user.

::Yikes, this user's edits almost consistently consist of personal attacks and a very hostile manner. I would recommend an immediate block. Cowman109^Talk 20:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

As outlined on their talk page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:216.144.171.168), this user has a history of malicious edits. His most recent vandalisms have been to remove the entire Slipknot and Fallout Boy articles to be replaced with "this band really sucks" and "hi". Personal feelings about those bands aside, he has contributed nothing of value and seems to exist solely to delete the work of others.

Thankyou; however this sort of thing should preferably go on WP:AIAV. The Land 21:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Could you check the doings of Special:Contributions/Duck-billed_platypus, because I just realized that the one had moved a bunch of articles to non-NC-conforming names just after I moved them to NC-directed places. I have a suspicion that this is a sleeper account... Marrtel 20:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:Good catch, I blocked indefinitely for not making any useful contributions. Ashibaka tock 20:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Over on Talk:7 World Trade Center, User:MONGO has been personally attacking me, calling me an "idiot," and threatening to block me based solely on my viewpoint. See, for example, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3A7_World_Trade_Center&diff=56086080&oldid=56073453]. I feel he has all but forbidden me from editing that page at all, declaring any advancement of alternate viewpoints on the collapse of 7 WTC to be "policy violations" and trying to determine the outcome of a content dispute by threatening to use his admin powers. See, e.g., [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3A7_World_Trade_Center&diff=53112460&oldid=53108233].

I'm fed up with his behavior. I don't want to file an RfC at this time, but I'd appreciate it if someone would have a talk with him. --Hyperbole 07:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::uh, yeah, there's really no point in this, if you knew anything about MONGO's past you'd realize 2 things:

::one) as an admin he threatens personal violence against people he doesn't like a lot less than he used to, and I happen to prefer the milder, less-likely-to-threaten-to-track-you-down-and-send-you-to-prison-for-disagreeing-with-him-on-the-internet MONGO, a kinder, gentler MONGO if you will,

::and two) you're not telling people something they don't already know, if you'll take a quick look at his RFA for instance, you'll see that most of the support was based on the fact that he is incredibly and openly partasain, as well as openly hostile, heck, half the support votes were from people who have been long since banned for open trolling, so if you think something's actually changed since then to errode that kind of support, you're quite mistaken--64.12.116.65 11:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:He'd be blocking you for violating WP:NPOV and being a disruption, not for your views. Please find a more productive way to contribute. .:.Jareth.:. ^babelfish 07:35, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:I never called you an idiot.--MONGO 07:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::I told you what I believed, and you said that anyone with those beliefs was an idiot. Let's not split hairs. --Hyperbole 07:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::That is a matter of perception.--MONGO 07:33, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::You are complaining about my comments, yet I even seriously offered to nominate you for adminship since you think I am so unfit. The offer still stands of course.--MONGO 07:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::::I don't want adminship; I don't have that level of experience yet. What I want is civil discussion and the respect every contributor to Wikipedia should be due. You seem determined not to provide that. --Hyperbole 07:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::It's like this you see...ask once, the answer is "no". Ask twice, the answer is "NO". Ask a third time and the answer is "NO!" The fourth time and it becomes "Are you hard of hearing? NO way!" Of course there is a fifth and it becomes, "NO WAY! NEVER! Stop asking!" Eventually the response (after incessant badgering about the same old tired nonsense)..."You must be an idiot!"...see WP:V and WP:RS--MONGO 07:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

MONGO ignoring desicions made at ANI: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents#User:Striver.2Fusers_that_view_the_9.2F11_attacks_article_as_govement_pov]

MONGO "inquiring" about my true identity: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Striver&oldid=55281577#Mongo_threatened_me]

Can someone de-admin MONGO, he is really not a productive force. --Striver 10:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:I disagree and have seen many instances where MONGO is productive. -- Samir धर्म 17:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:Mongo seems to be a good and civil editor and admin on non-9/11 related articles. However, on anything 9/11 he becomes [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center&diff=prev&oldid=52461381 obnoxious]. ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center&diff=prev&oldid=51502381 This one] is actually quite funny, but I think he ment to be insulting) Seabhcán 11:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:I certainly wouldn't deadmin him as he is a capable and I am sure well-intentioned editor. Some of his work on the national Parks articles is worthwhile. He has erred though in his attitude towards certain users on the 9/11 related articles and should refrain from editing them for a period (a month or two?) to help him get a sense of perspective.

:I find comments like:

• "That's not a POV..that's a mission statement."
• "That is a bunch of crap"
• "I am also about ready to start blocking folks for disruption of the talk pages."
• "In my opinion, we are arguing with trolls mostly"
• "I will not assume any good faith when POV pushers try to add nonsense to the articles" (all collated on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MONGO#Talk:7_World_Trade_Center) very disturbing. WP:AGF is not to be employed just when you feel like it, it is an absolute rule.

I also find his reply to Hyperbole above ('Eventually the response (after incessant badgering about the same old tired nonsense)..."You must be an idiot!" ') deeply disturbing. As someone who threatens blocks quite frequently for perceived breaches of wiki policy, and as an admin, he should know that WP:NPA is not just for when you feel like it, it is for all the time.

Take some time out, work on other parts of Wikipedia, and you may rediscover that Wiki can be fun. At the moment you are spoiling it for yourself and for others because of the misguided "mission statement" you have taken on. Nobody can own any part of Wikipedia and you may need to rediscover that too.

--Guinnog 13:22, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Just for perspective, he blocked me once for this comment:

:''Not if you are working in the Homeland Security and happen to be named User:MONGO [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Striver&oldid=55281577#Blocked_for_24_hours]

I find the above enumerated statments as much more severe than the one MONGO blocked me for. Do we have a double standard? I cant use sarkasm, but MONGO can call people "idiots"? Thats how i fell it is. --Striver 13:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I think the objection to Mongo is that he is enforcing the rules: Cite reliable sources; No undue weight; No original research; No link spam. These persistent efforts to lard the 9/11 articles with junk science and conspiracist nonsense have long since passed the point of being disruptive. Tom Harrison ^Talk 13:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:Agree with Tom, and fully support MONGO here. NoSeptember ^talk 13:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:If this is his aim, he can try to do it without insults. Seabhcán 13:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::Yes, Seabhcan...no insults...something you seem to relish yourself in edit summaries...[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center&diff=prev&oldid=52292395], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center&diff=prev&oldid=51428328], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center&diff=prev&oldid=50871179], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Seabhcan&diff=prev&oldid=50934755], replacing insults made by a troll in discussion pages [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center&diff=prev&oldid=50937276], moving the article that you can't force your wide-eyed nonsense into off to your own userspace solely to create your POV version[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Seabhcan/Collapse_of_the_World_Trade_Center&diff=prev&oldid=50714901].--MONGO 16:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:Which bits of those comments offended you, Mongo? I didn't call you an 'idiot' or a 'fool' as you did me, I said (with a touch of scarcasism), that you were a 'philosopher'. Also, your removal of that IP users comments was uncalled for. He was making a comment and you removed it four times and then protected the talk page. There was nothing trollish about his comment. However, your censorship of the talk page certainly bordered on trolling. Seabhcán 18:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::Yup. Start following wikipedia policies yourself (WP:AGF, WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL) and you will find that people will take you much more seriously when you try and enforce them on others. --Guinnog 13:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::The 9/11 articles are akin to the problems we have with our biographies...they are under attack by POV pushers of nonsense such as yourself and this nonsense puts Wikipedias reputation for reliable witness and neutrality at risk. There is no good faith to be assumed when editors such as yourself fight for adding junk science to article space...3,000 people died that day and it directly impacted the lives of at least 100,000 more whose had lost their loved ones and friends...do you realize how many potential lawsuits I and others may have saved Wikipedia from if those articles are filled with insultingly inaccurate junk science that claims that the U.S. Government or others blew up the buildings or that they sanctioned the attacks to justify a war in Iraq? Tis a pity so many seem to wish to use Wikipedia resources to push such a horrible bunch of lies into our articles. Yes, I should be blocking others for disruption much more often...block all time wasting trolls.--MONGO 16:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::::That's just the reason that People questioning the 9/11 Commission Report was deleted. MONGO is simply enforcing the rules, WP:NPA, WP:CIVIL, WP:RS, WP:V, WP:NPOV#Undue weight, and many other Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines. Wikipedia is a not a free-for-all. If you want to post stuff on the web, without these rules, a Blog would be suitable. --Aude (talk | contribs) 16:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::Agree entirely. (As he has done many times before) MONGO is clearly doing a very good job in ensuring that this article is well referenced and includes neutral facts. He has done nothing inappropriate whatoever. However, admins are always held to high standards in their behaviour, and I do suggest that MONGO drop the tone just a notch. Really no reason to call any group of people idiots for any reason. Thanks -- Samir धर्म 17:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::: And I disagree entirely, except with your last point. There is no call for abuse; I have never treated this user with anything other than courtesy, in spite of being called (just above) a "POV pusher of nonsense" and a "time wasting troll", among other things. In spite of all these deeply inappropriate behaviours, Mongo, I do still believe you are acting in good faith. But I think a wee rest from this "mission" you have set yourself will do you, the rest of us, and even the articles we are debating, immense good. I am ready to receive your apology for the insults whenever you are ready to give it, and until then, I see no benefit in any continued discussion of your behaviour, either here or on any other page. Sincere best wishes until then --Guinnog 18:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::I see no reason to rest...whatever do you mean? I owe you something...what is that exactly...I should apologize to you when your efforts are to add nonsense to our articles, thereby putting Wikipedia's reputation at risk...it is you that should go elsewhere, and I recommend as others have perhaps a blog will do. I offer no apology and I offer no respite and intend to insult you and others that intend to insult and compromise the integrity of these articles with your nonsense.--MONGO 18:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Tom, MONGO is fully justified in his actions. --rogerd 21:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

• Many of the 9/11 articles are under siege by people promoting conspiracy theories who have little regard for the standards that the Wikipedia should maintain. There's been months of edit-warring over the insertion that Larry Silverstein conspired with government and non-government entities to destroy 7 World Trade Center on September 11, 2001 by a controlled-demolition. How many times does one have to delete that before one calls the inserter an time wasting troll? It is a provocation. patsw 03:19, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::Right, the POV pushing on that page (and others) is relentless. Mongo has been tireless resisting attempts by a very small handful of editors to sidestep editorial rules. They have us going round and round in circles making us repeat the same valid objections time after time...at some point they need to stop. I'm sure they'd love Mongo to step away from that page but it's to all our benefit that he hasn't. Rx StrangeLove 03:47, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

This is a waste of time. This user just seems to be angry at Mongo responsibly using his admin powers to stop his continous violations of NPOV and refusal to accept the community's consensus. Should Mongo be more careful about his tone, yes, but is he doing what any other responsible admin would do, clearly yes. This is, in my opinion, a violation of WP:POINT. The purpose is to create this, get users who agree with 9/11 truth to post in it and smear Mongo, with the purpose of stoping him from doing his responsiblities as an admin.--Jersey Devil 04:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:By 'this user', do you mean Hyperbole, Seabhcán, Striver or me? I assure you the only point I am trying to make is that User:MONGO needs to "be more careful about his tone", as you put it, bigstyle. Nobody that I have seen on the WTC7 page has tried to sidestep editorial rules, other than arguably Mongo himself when he threatened to "start blocking folks for disruption of the talk pages" in (presumably) an effort to stifle the normal debate on content which typifies Wikipedia talk pages. As a good-faith editor who has always sought compromise and consensus in my dealings with him, I strongly object to being called names or threatened. A gentle reminder to the user about WP:CIVIL may be all that is needed, though, looking at the uncompromising stance he seems to be taking in some of his replies above, this optimism may be misplaced. --Guinnog 10:00, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::What is there to compromise about? In other words, you want to cite as evidence information gleemed from unreliable websites and books that are not scientific. What compromise is there to be had...policy clearly disallows this.--MONGO 10:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

• I just picked up the following: "Sure...I guess if the poll demonstrated that an overwhelming number of person did not think there was a conspiracy, you wouldn't even be bothering to link it...who do you think you're fooling?--MONGO 19:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)"[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:7_World_Trade_Center&action=edit§ion=14]. I had hoped that this user had improved his conduct; this reply (and to be honest, some of the ones above), make that belief harder to sustain. Clear breach of WP:AGF and WP:CIVIL, again. Could somebody 'have a word' with him, please, so that everyone involved can get on with trying to improve the article? Thanks in advance --Guinnog 04:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

::I'll have a word with him.--MONGO 05:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Please see the appropriate talk page. Censorship of wikipedia's opponents does three things:

• Make us look like a cult
• Make us look like we support censorship of pov's that we dont like
• make it difficult to read an npov view of them.

So can an admin please de-salt the earth there. Cheers. THE KING 19:03, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry, not gonna happen. Most, if not all, admins will agree that this article should not be restored. Just try asking a few. User:69.117.12.239 19:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with "censoring" "Wikipedia's opponents" and everything to do with established notability guidelines. We have articles on world rulers and great scientific inventions. We don't have articles on random forum communities with a few dozen members. --Cyde↔Weys 19:16, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:I agree. WP:WEB is clear on this. --Lord Deskana ^{Dark Lord of the Sith} 19:25, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::I am a proud member of wikipedia. What makes me proudest about it however, is that all major points of view are taken into account. Thats why we can say that we work towards NPOV. I don't want to have to stop saying that. This is not a threat, just something for you to think about. Also, considering the obviously sensitive nature of this request, i propose that we put it to a vote, since i think we can all agree that it's something that the admins would have a bias against. Thankyou in advance for your neutrality in dealing with this matter. THE KING 19:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::You seem to think this is a POV issue when it is not. POV only even comes into play once an issue is notable enough to warrant an article in an encyclopedia of general knowledge. You can try putting up our notability criteria for a vote of increased leniency, but I don't think you'll get very far. --Cyde↔Weys 19:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::::POV is a phenomonen that affects not only individual articles but the encyclopedia as a whole, in my opinion. What do you think? THE KING 19:51, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::(after edit conflict) I think The King is correct to suggest that someone may oppose recreation of this article in view of the ill regard in which they hold the website (I imagine, though, that they act in good faith, believing our having an article apropos of WR to be deleterious vis-à-vis encyclopedic purposes), but, irrespective of motivation, those opposing de-salting and recreation are altogether correct with respect to WP:NOT and WP:NN (scilicet, WP:WEB); the site has an Alexa rank of 71,164 (though the rank appears to be increasing, and surely I'd be amenable to our reopening the discussion should the site reach, say, 30,000) and is not otherwise notable (mentions under Criticisms of Wikipedia, about the encyclopedic nature of which I'm not certain, would be fine, I suppose). As encyclopedists, we must be disinterested, and we oughtn't to permit our affiliation with Wikipedia to affect our editing: for the same reasons that an article about Phil Sandifer should be (and likely will be) deleted, viz., that, were we not eminently familiar with the subject in view of our association with Wikipedia, we'd think the subject non-notable, so too oughtn't we to have a Wikipedia Review article. Joe 19:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I think User:THE KING may have a point. Perhaps this article should be recreated. It would be the perfect place to document incidents such as Daniel Brandt's blackmailing of Katefan0 to leave the wiki and the Phil Sandifer incident. Both incidents were precipitated by the atmosphere encouraged on that forum. I've always said they would be their own undoing. This would be the perfect opportunity to assist them in that endeavour.

But perhaps this all would be too self-referential. -- User:Malber (talk • contribs) 20:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

It should redirect to Criticism of Wikipedia. Redirects are cheap. And fun.  Grue  20:44, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

The problem with redirect is that a person can quickly create a article to replace the redirect. The wikipedia review caused alot of damage already. No way I support an article on them. Thanks Jaranda ^{wat's sup} 20:49, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:Redirects can be protected too, you know. And by the way, do you think Hurricane Katrina should be deleted, because it dealt a lot of damage ;)  Grue  20:53, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::Indeed. Refusing to support an article because you consider it notable... for having done significant damage. Novel concept. 'Wikipedia, where all the articles are about nice people.' :] --CBDunkerson 22:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::I think the notion of creating a protected redirect as suggested is a reasonable one. We have plenty of redirects that handle topics that do not rise to the notability level required for their own articles; in fact there is an entire class of them via the tag {{tl|R to list entry}}. There is the risk of attracting via this redirect POV-pushing and vandalism to the Criticism of Wikipedia article, but that is nothing unique or new. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 13:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

This debate belongs on WP:DRV. Where everyone with any sense will say "Legitimate AFD, validly closed, no new evidence presented, keep deleted". Has something changed since we deleted the article? Have any decent broadsheets recently given it significant and wide-ranging coverage? Have any respected academics studied the social consequences of Wikipedia Review? No? *monocle* --Sam Blanning^(talk) 23:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

User:Gemini531 is accusing me of racism [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3AAfrican_American&diff=56213745&oldid=55075386 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Yamla&diff=next&oldid=56212960 here], stating that I am being "racial" (sic) and states that I "hate black people", which is untrue. She is claiming that I am refusing her permission to note that people on Wikipedia are African American. This is blatantly false, see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGemini531&diff=55522216&oldid=55122541 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AYamla&diff=56018313&oldid=56017296 here]. I believe Gemini531 is making a personal attack on my character. In my opinion, it is probably not a good idea for me to even warn this user, but I would like someone to block or at least significantly warn this person. I do not like being accused of racism. --Yamla 22:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:I've warned the user. Tom Harrison ^Talk 23:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

: Her remark here definitely crossed the line into unacceptably uncivil discourse. http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AYamla&diff=56214291&oldid=56211803 I don't think we should take any further action besides the warning but this is something to keep an eye out for. Giovanni33 08:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Please see User:Makedonas, User:Asteraki, User:Macedonia and User:Makedonia. I have asked them to bring their user pages in line with the policy at WP:USER. If they do not do so within a day I shall be removing the offending content. I can't see a problem with this, can anyone else? - FrancisTyers 23:32, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:Reading again, perhaps I could have made that slightly less aggressive :) Basically, these pages are way out of line, and I'd like to make sure that I'm not mis-interpreting policy before I implement it. Thanks - FrancisTyers 23:34, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::A great deal of the text on User:Macedonia's page is almost certainly a copyvio. Jkelly 23:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::We are here to write an encyclopedia - not carry on ethnic disputes by proxy. Totally inappropriate userspace use - deal with it as neccessary - but it all has to go. --Doc ^ask? 23:42, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

::::FrancisTyers, you are in the right. Their user pages aren't in good faith and just cause bad-blood among editors. Just make sure you gave them enough warning before you dealt with it yourself. --dcabrilo 00:02, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I've added User:Vergina and User:Makedonec to the merry band. - FrancisTyers 00:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:I entirely agree on this and thanks. Just give them a little more time, to do it themselves (a day is too-short a notice, check the frequency of their contribs). We've tolerated such content for too long now, not to give some more days to those guys to understand their error and correct themselves. Agree?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 11:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::A day is much longer than I was going to give them. I see User:Makedonia has already started to attempt to bring his page in line. As for the others, I understand User:Makedonas has been conscripted, well I'm not going to wait around for the Greek army. How long would you suggest we leave it? Also you should realise that deletion is not a terminal affair, their pages can be restored if they agree to bring them in line. - FrancisTyers 11:44, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:: I agree too. Wikipedia is not a soapbox ought to apply to user space as well as article space. --ajn (talk) 11:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::Seems reasonable to me. --Guinnog 11:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:You have a point about reverting anytime, I was just trying to prevent irrational reactions that would make things worse, when they come back and see their pages blanked. As for User:Makedonas, his page used to be much milder, and I am sure he'll get in-line. People (ha! especially hot-blooded Greeks and Slavomacedonians) tend to over-react when they consider they've been victimised by what they interpret as use of excessive force. So, how about a week?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 12:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::I'm not sure how that would help to be honest. I mean, giving them four more days, or six more days is not going to help if they don't come online. I mean, if they don't come online before the time is up they are just as likely to "go postal" when they do. Do you have any way of contacting them? - FrancisTyers 14:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:Ok. No problem, I thought of something: When the time expires, I blank the Greeks and FlavrSavr blanks the Slavomacedonians. We also give them a nice message. Just say when is that, if FlavrSavr agrees too.  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 14:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::An excellent idea. :) - FrancisTyers 14:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Great. Four things though: 1.Who, 2.When (tomorrow noon [or 9:00 UTC] I'll be available), 3.FlavrSavr agrees (he is not online)?, 4.Hold the automatic/semi-automatic/manual-counter-vandal horses. Ok?  NikoSilver  ^{(T) @ (C)} 15:03, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::::I've moved the discussion to my talk page. - FrancisTyers 15:14, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I've asked Bormalagurski to remove some similar stuff from his userpage (the "interesting articles" section). I hope he does this voluntarily. --ajn (talk) 08:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

• 21:25, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Praties in your ass}}
• 21:25, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Elms in your ass}}
• 21:25, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Jars in your ass}}
• 21:24, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Steam in your ass}}
• 21:24, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Cream in your ass}}
• 21:21, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Berries in your ass}}
• 21:21, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Field in your ass}}
• 21:21, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Buns in your ass}}
• 21:20, May 31, 2006 {{vandal|Fire in your ass}}

There's a lot more where that came from. We have a new vandal.-- The ikiroid  03:30, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:HappyCamper and I tag-teamed a couple, but I think we got 'em all. Bring on the rest! AmiDaniel (talk) 03:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::I don;t know if "tag-team" is the right word in this situation if you know what I means.- Moshe Constantine Hassan Al-Silverburg | Talk 15:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:: We don't have an article for Praties... :| Titoxd^{(?!? - help us)} 05:04, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:::I think they're all gone. What a weird person.-- The ikiroid  13:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::::You know you people really need to stop naming these vandals--205.188.116.65 15:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Hmmm i think i agree. I checked all the contributions, and it turns out that none of these editors has yet made a contribution... but they are vandals? Maybe you could say user with superflous username or something like that but yes i hesitate to call it vandalism until something has actually been vandalised. THE KING 17:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::I was wondering where those creamy steamed berries in jars came from. -- Kjkolb 02:02, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

This previously blocked publically used IP address 199.216.252.3 has resumed vandalizing pages. See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/199.216.252.3 here]. Flibirigit 19:05, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:Vandalism notices belong on WP:AIV. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 03:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I'd like to report that User:Doom127 has repeatedly re-added content to the Wii article that myself and several other regular Wii article editors feel is POV. Further, when I posted a comment on his talk page explaining the reasoning for not including the content: User_talk:Doom127, he not only deleted it, but labeled his reason for deleting my comments as vandalism. Upon reverting this change and posting a warning about deleting legitimate comments, he re-deleted my original and new comments, as well as the warning templates. Danny 00:27, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

: One word- bull crap. This VANDAL not only has blanked out legitimate AND SOURCED additions to the Wii article, he has repeatedly attacked me, harassed me, on my talk page (which I, in my legitimate capacity, have removed, as all his contributions to it have been harassing personal attacks and vandalism), and he's brought in meatpuppets to the talk page in order to "agree" with him. He's put comments down there such as "You are only here to attack the Wii!", called my legitimate and sourced additions "vandalism", blanked out sections of the page (which IS vandalism), and now he comes here to waste your time. Anyone who's checked my edit history knows that POV is quite important to me- I've never "attacked" neither the Wii, nor the PS3 or whatever. I recommend THAT user recieve a block- I don't deserve the treatment that him and his meatpuppets have given me, given the fact that I've spent a significant amount of time improving numerous Nintendo related articles with the attempt to keep out POV. --20px Daniel Davis 01:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::This only further proves that something is strange about this user's behavior. Other users agreed with me on their own, I in no way rallied them or am faking a consensus as he has implied. This user cannot accept that several users besides me disagreed with his basis for adding certain content. Check my contributions and you will see I have never intentionally vandalized an article, so calling me a vandal for the umpteenth time is in fact a violation of policy as I understand it. Please note per his talk page history that I originally left one comment about the reason for removing the one section he re-added and did not add warnings until after he removed my comment. He has once again removed those legitimate warnings from his talk page. And the wording of his comments has made it appear he wants to add a criticism section to the Wii page for the sole reason of doing so, not to enhance its quality. Check Talk:Wii, I am not the only user who thinks so. Danny 01:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Neither of you are vandalizing, from your contributions. Stop the flamewar or I'll warn you both. WP:OWN, WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA. Take a chill pill, or go seek assistance from the WP:MEDCAB. Right now, neither of you can expect action against the other. Jesus. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 01:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:I ask in all seriousness, isn't removing legitimate comments from your talk page an act of vandalism? Danny 01:57, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:: I respect Avillia and trust his judgement. I accept his findings. --20px Daniel Davis 02:26, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::That's great and all, except, I would prefer to hear comment on our "behavior" from an actual admin before I consider this matter settled. Accusing someone of vandalism all the while committing seemingly act of vandalism yourself seems pretty serious to me, if I'm wrong I can accept that. But a random user profanely telling me to take a chill pill isn't going to cut it. Danny 05:04, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::: Dude, YOU WERE vandalising! You harassed me ON MY TALK PAGE while simultaneously ripping out relevant information from the Wii, information that more than one *respected* (as opposed to Meatpuppet low-edit users) had stated should be in the article. Now Avilla has politely asked you to knock off your behavior, and I agreed that perpetuating the argument on Wii was without merit. But if you're going to keep up this junk, let it be on your own head. --20px Daniel Davis 05:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::User:Avillia may not be an administrator, but given that both of you seem to think that you're trying to improve Wikipedia, and you're having some sort of dispute that has you quarreling on WP:AN/I about who is "vandalising" by making edits the other doesn't like, the suggest to look at mediation doesn't seem amiss. Jkelly 06:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::: All I want is for him to leave my talk page alone. Is that too much to ask? --20px Daniel Davis 06:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::I originally left one single comment, based on several other user's consensus for his own information regarding the content removal. He accused me personally of being a "vandal" simply for commenting on his talk page. That wasn't right no matter how he wants to twist it. If we really need to take this to mediation, fine, but I still feel his actions were unwarranted and mis-directed toward me as I was not the only user who disagreed with him. In fact, forget it, I'll resolve this now: next time I won't bother keeping him up-to-date. Danny 06:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::How about you commit to letting other users warn Dannybu2001 about any vandalism going forward, and Dannybu2001 commits to letting you blank his complaints about your calling his edits vandalism on your talk? Jkelly 06:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::: That sounds very reasonable. Danny 06:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Just a note -- There is no need to seek "comment on behavior from an actual admin." Wikipedia administrators are not charged with adjudicating disputes between users. There are Wikipedia:dispute resolution procedures for that. Admins are trusted with a few more technical tools than other editors, but they are not judges set over other editors. --FOo 06:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

This user is writing articles like Second floor, Third floor, Fourth floor, etc. These are totally useless entries, and if I could think of a way to tag them for speedy deletion, I would. As it is, someone is going to have to waste time prodding these or taking them through AfD. I'm assuming this is a well-meaning effort, but I'm not the only person to leave him messages about his articles. Help? Erik the Rude 03:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:Put them in for AfD if you feel they are not valid articles or need transwickifying, and see what the consensus is. Maybe they can be expanded as User:Hoof38 says, or merged or just deleted. Debate seems the next step. Something unexpected might arise in the course of discussion (or maybe not). Tyrenius 04:00, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::I've left a message suggesting he add any interesting information to the main article, floor. If he agrees we can just quietly delete the articles without the need to go through AfD (that's CSD G7, for you policy wonks). --bainer (talk) 04:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Guess not. He's unprod'ed them all with the note "More than a dicdef" though he hasn't added any content to support it. Fan1967 04:13, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Sounds like mass AfD time. --InShaneee 04:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::: Erik the Rude has taken care of it: AfD's for Second through Tenth Floors. -- Fan1967 04:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:The user has been indefblocked as a sockpuppet of Science3456 (same obsession with pandigital numbers as some of the socks that created all the panigital number pools). I have just denied an unblock request, so I obviously support the block. Kusma (討論) 13:30, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::I was incorrectly called a sockpuppet. My account should be unblocked as soon as possible. 152.163.100.65 16:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::As Kusma has noted, User:Hoof38's editing patterns mirror almost exactly many of the 100+ accounts in :Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Science3456. Some examples of those contribs: ex. 1, ex. 2, ex. 3, ex. 4. The sad thing is that this person seems to be able to make positive contributions to Wikipedia, but often decides to absolutely ignore many of the rules here. -Big Smooth 00:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

He has been signing as "G-spot". He hasn't edited since May 28 though. I've left him a message.Blnguyen | Have your say!!! 05:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:Debatable I think, though I haven't read the username guidelines in a while. On a website that has pictures of a vagina just 3 clicks away... =) --mboverload@ 06:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::Check out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:User_name#Inappropriate_usernames Inappropriate user names]:

:::Inflammatory usernames: Wikipedia does not allow potentially inflammatory or offensive user names. Inflammatory usernames are needlessly discouraging to other contributors, and disrupt and distract from our task of creating an encyclopedia. This includes, but is not limited to: ...

:::Names that refer to or imply sexual acts or genitalia, including slang, innuendo, and double entendre

::It seems from this that G-spot is not an acceptable usage.

::Tyrenius 10:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::: While I'm not sure where we stand on the issue, and I think it might be best for him/her to change the sig, note that it's not his username, it's his sig. Therefore Wikipedia:User name doesn't really apply. Ral315 (talk) 17:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Could someone have a little talk with User talk:Pitchka (linking there instead of the userpage, since the userpage is a redirect to Sideshow Cinema, a practice which is of concern itself) about not challenging everyone in an AFD and assuming good faith? I'd do it myself, but I'm already on the hit list for nominating the article. (He's signed as "Dwain" on the AFD). Essjay (Talk • Connect) 06:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:I have left a note on the talk page about good faith and no personal attacks. However, it is a discussion, so I think it would be questionable to try to limit that. However, I have put notes on the AfD page about two of the participants who are new users. I hope this helps. Tyrenius 07:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::You needent remind me it is a discussion; there was a time, before my day was filled with running checkusers and closing RfAs, that I closed hundereds of deletion disucssions each day. While it is a discussion, contributors have the right to express their opinions, and to have those opinions discussed civilly and respectfully. "Who the heck are you to suggest that he isn't?" is neither. Essjay (Talk • Connect) 16:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Please block sockpuppets User:Nixer. and User:Tutmosis. created by Roitr to impersonate me and user User:Tutmosis. There are some other sockpuppets of Roitr not blocked yet. Newest information you can find here: User:Roitr/sockpuppetry. Maybe we should semi-protect some most vandalized articles.--Nixer 10:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

From deletion log:

• 13:06, 2 June 2006 Doc glasgow deleted "Wikipedia:Civility noticeboard" (fuck off)

Also I find this edit absolutely hilarious: [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review&diff=56489825&oldid=56487967]. What a great simplification of the DRV process! LOL jni 13:21, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:I don't understand wanting to go out in a blaze of infamy. Syrthiss 13:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::Hardly infamy - you'll forget it soon. If I'd wanted to be disruptive , I'd have deleted DRV - but I didn't. --Doc ^ask? 13:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3ASyrthiss&diff=56490610&oldid=51913555 Probably not]. :( Syrthiss 13:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Blaze of minor irritation, then? Kirill Lokshin 13:30, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Doc rash-gow? ;) Syrthiss 13:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::everyone needs a break sometimes.Geni 15:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:I guess they will give his admin rights back after he returns from his "retirement". Lapinmies 15:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::Doubtful. No objection to haveing him back as an editor but someone would probably make a case for it haveing to go through WP:RFA.Geni 15:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm disappointed that the redirect was reverted without discussion. It was hilarious as well as representative of current practice. Friday (talk) 15:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:Not really.Geni 15:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::No, I agree with Friday. Will (^E_@) T 15:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Me as well, that has cheered me right up after a depressing day of revision. the wub "?!" 16:01, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Shouldn't it be rogue, rather than rouge, assuming he's errant and not red, that is? Tyrenius 16:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::I just assumed he wore a lot of makeup or something. --Guinnog 16:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::::I've noticed this spelling is spreading in wiki and wondered if I've missed something (like a transatlanticism). So we assume no one can spell rogue properly then? I thought it was a bit odd that there complaints about red admins nowadays. Tyrenius 16:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::See WP:ROUGE. Friday (talk) 16:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Category:Rouge admins is more to the point ;-). NoSeptember ^talk 16:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Alright, I can't let this go any longer: why on :Category:Rouge admins do we use a photograph in which the most prominent feature is MASCARA???!?!?! RadioKirk talk to me 00:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Thanks. You live and learn. Another cranny of wiki revealed.:) Tyrenius 16:32, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADoc_glasgow&diff=56530852&oldid=56530001 Barnstar'd.] Don't leave, Docco. --Avillia ^{(Avillia me!)} 17:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Just gave him another barnstar. Doc, seriously, that's fucking hilarious! --mboverload@ 19:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm glad I'm not the only one who finds that absolutely hilarious. --Rory096 19:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:I think I stoped finding that kind of thing funny sometime during april 1st 2005.Geni 21:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::I'm quite sure this is pretty unique. --mboverload@ 23:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::I found the redirect funny (no offense, Tony). More troubling is the apparent rise in the loss of longtime editors and admins recently (not all of them good contributors, but definitely a significant portion of them). -- Kjkolb 01:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

: No offense taken. The redirect was a reference to a recent semi-serious suggestion made on DRV. I'm sad to see Doc burn out like this; he intimated he as on the verge of giving up the other night. We do seem to have lost more than the usual number of good people lately. --Tony Sidaway 13:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Now if he'd only make George W. Bush a redirect to Hanlon's Razor....oops, I spilled the beans. :P-- The ikiroid  20:11, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

68.249.7.14 (talk) just called me a child molester, etc. etc. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:68.249.7.14&curid=5393324&diff=56517066&oldid=56516096 here], presumably because I blocked this account for 24 hours for personal attacks. It would be inappropriate for me to revert this or to take any further action as it is directed at me personally. Could someone else take some action, please? Note that this is an IP address, not a signed-in user, but there's no evidence it is a shared IP. --Yamla 16:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:I don't agree that it would be inappropriate for you to take action in this case. We do want to avoid the reality or appearance of conflicts of interest, certainly, but IMO this needn't apply to blatantly obvious cases. But, I've reverted and left another "don't do that" warning. Friday (talk) 16:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

AlexPU (talk • contribs • [{{SERVER}}/wiki/Special:Log/move?user={{urlencode:AlexPU}} page moves] • block user • [{{SERVER}}/wiki/Special:Log/block?page={{urlencode:User:AlexPU}} block log]) has been blocked yesterday for a week by

Dmcdevit (talk • contribs • [{{fullurl:Special:Log/block|user={{urlencode:Dmcdevit}}}} blocks] • [{{fullurl:Special:Log/protect|user={{urlencode:Dmcdevit}}}} protects] • [{{fullurl:Special:Log/delete|user={{urlencode:Dmcdevit}}}} deletions] • [{{fullurl:Special:Log/move|user={{urlencode:Dmcdevit}}}} moves]). In the block,

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:AlexPU the following reason was cited]: ''"3RR and more egregious incivility

despite many previous "final" warnings"''.

The last block was prompted by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&offset=20060601202853&limit=24&target=AlexPU this activity] (pay attention to edit summaries and actual words used at the talk page entries). This isn't a new behavior from this user lately.Perhaps these two entries from recent archive of this very

board would help remind some of what's going on: Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive99#Uncivility report and [[Wikipedia:Administrators'

noticeboard/IncidentArchive97#user:AlexPU|maintaining an attack page and perpetually unleashing uncivil diatribes there as well as all around Wiki]].

The user beats the record by an amount of "FINAL warnings" he received ([http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlexPU&diff=28944537&oldid=28935767 1], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlexPU&diff=51015764&oldid=50876967 2], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlexPU&diff=51091469&oldid=51022329 3], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlexPU&diff=51175179&oldid=51170152 4], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlexPU&diff=51176105&oldid=51175179 5], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlexPU&diff=52205480&oldid=51176912 6], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ukrained&curid=3418780&diff=53179992&oldid=52902521 7] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAlexPU&diff=52478895&oldid=52371324 8], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:AlexPU&diff=next&oldid=52478895 9]) all to no effect whatsoever. Neither his [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&limit=1&offset=1&type=block&user=&page=User%3AAlexPU previous block] (for "Personal attacks, incivil behavior") did him any good. His talk, which is an attack page on his opponents, a Black Book-type list compiled by him, isn't moderated, he persisted with addressing his opponents by their ethnicities (misapplying those too), calling them vandals, propagandists and whatever.

However, what he posted at his talk following the very last block is just unspeakable. He trippled the level of his attacks and spiced them with homophobic ("You, smelly faggot"), ethnic ("gypsy") and sexual ("whore") slurs. While there is no indication that any of his opponents actually belong to any of these groups, I am calling this behavior to the admin attention.

The first thing that comes to mind is to lock his talk page as well so that he would have no chance to assault anyone anywhere at wiki-space but this may be counterproductive as it may prevent others from talking to him and would prevent him to censor his previos attacks and

the black book should he come to senses. Warning him seems useless but something needs done. Perhaps doubling the block for the post-block activity so that he sees that his actions would have further consequences? I leave it up to the community.

I don't see why we need to waste the ArbCom's time for such an obvious case. ArbCom is busy enough. I don't see any sense of an RfC since, again, this is plain enough, got sufficient exposure for many people to comment already and they commented. There seems to be a need for an action rather than talk. --Ghirla ^-трёп- 17:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:I've used a translator as I'm not fluent in Russian, and your summary fits. I've extended it to a month, any admin is free to change the length. Will (^E_@) T 18:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::Why not just get it over with and ban him? --mboverload@ 18:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:::I'm not going to support an acclamation ban at this point. If he continues, I'll support acclamation banning Will (^E_@) T 21:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandal was at it again today. I'm relatively new and don't

know exactly what to do by way of reporting or acting,

but presumably somebody does?

CAR

:I've blocked the user for 31 hours JoJan 20:45, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Could someone please look at the problem on Laura Ingraham involving user Haizum? 3RR doesn't begin to describe this one — if he disagrees with a fact, he says the link doesn't work, and has from the beginning accompanied his reversals with personal attacks. The history of the dispute is spelled out on the Talk page, as well as (unfortunately) my own User page, where Haizum has left several profane messages (now deleted but part of the history). I have asked him to stay off my User page but without success. On the Talk page, Haizum is now attributing a quote to me which is false and defamatory.

I have made thousands of edits on Wikipedia and have never encountered a user like this. I'm afraid Haizum has exhausted my patience. What can be done? Please help. Sandover 20:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:Haizum has been blocked for edit warring and incivility. If he isn't prepared to accept the subjects official site as a reliable source, it's teetering onto vandalism Will (^E_@) T 21:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::I think User: Haizum may have been unblocked, by user:Tawker. This was the editor's fourth block, and was scheduled at 3 days. I just got a crude email from him because I trimmed some verbatim copyrighted source material from a talk page. I think User:Sceptre's block was warranted and minor relative to the behavior and history. -Will Beback

:::The block was originally 48 hours. I recieved an email 10 minutes after the block saying:

{{"|Get real. Sandover started the personal attacks and is the one warring my edits while I have the courtesy to leave the disputed content up with a tag.

Furthermore, the protection is not supposed to be an endorsement of a particular version, SO WHY DID YOU REMOVE THE DISPUTED TAG?

This is unacceptable, and you can bet I will make sure it is known that you endorsed a version, contrary to policy.

Also, oh wise admin, the dispute tag was there for a part of the section that Sandover isn't even invloved in.

Shape up, it looks like you're on your way to arbitration.}}

It was followed just a few minutes later by this email:

{{"|Oh great, you're from the UK. So you've the protected Laura Ingraham page THE WAY YOU SEE FIT, and now I suppose you're going to try to get involved in the content even though she has no meaning in the UK.

Great, I'm sure this article will be al jazeerific once you're finished with it.

Why don't you tack on another 24 hours to the subjective block you just applied big man?}}

I was happy to tack twenty-four hours on for him. About eight hours ago, I received another email:

{{"|

From "Page Protection Policy":

1."These abilities are only to be used in limited circumstances as protected pages are considered harmful."

2."Admins must not protect pages they are actively engaged in editing, except in the case of simple vandalism."

3."If a page is protected because of an edit war, please do not ask for it to be protected in some other version than it currently is. A protection is not an endorsement of the current version. Instead, go to the talk page and attempt to resolve the dispute."

1. You protected a page because of a Dispute tag. 99% of the disputed section was left unchanged, yet you claim I was warring...for ADDING material.

2. You edited the page the way you wanted to see it before you protected it. I will make sure this is burned into your record.

3. You made no attempt to resolve the dispute. You protected the page in its POV form after DELIBERATELY removing the Dispute tag.

You failed.

You failed.

You failed.}}

This haD triggered me to lengthen the block to a week. Will (^E_@) T 11:15, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I blocked this user for three hours because of bad faith page moves. Shanel is helping clean up the mess.--Kungfu Adam ^(talk) 22:11, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:I'll leave it to people who know more about Hebrew names to determine, but genuine vandalism (as opposed to mistaken boldness) in pagemoves is worth a block a lot longer than 3 hours. If he is a good faith user he needs to be educated about Willy on Wheels. The Land 22:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

{{vandal|134.134.136.3}} has threatened to bring a slander case against me and anyone who particpates in the AfD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Justin Lacche. If you look at the history of Justin Lacche it looks as if he has also goes by User:Lacjc126. I don't feel that anything in the AfD can possibly be considered slander, and ask that an admin deals with his legal threats. VegaDark 22:46, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:Blocked the IP for a month. See if you can get a checkuser to verify if the two users are the same Will (^E_@) T 22:52, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:Sorry, I'm going to unblock. WP:LEGAL suggests that blocking is not appropriate for a simple legal threat. I have left a sufficiently clear warning on the IP's talk page. The Land 22:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

:*TheLand, I don't think you're reading this correctly. If you could review WP:LEGAL a bit more carefully, I think it'll be more clear. Blocking is noted as likely for legal threats, and we have a long tradition of blocking such users. I have reblocked the user for a month. --Improv 23:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

::Don't we have a policy not to block IP addresses for long periods unless they are open proxies? Secretlondon 14:37, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

::: Define "long periods"? 1 month isn't that long. The purpose of not blocking for long is if the IP is dynamic and likely to impact another user who may then inherit that address. --pgk^(talk) 14:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

::OK, fair enough. Will (^E_@) T 23:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Note: The subject in the article has now e-mailed me 4 times demanding my name and stating "Please save me the time of researching your real name and just tell me your name", "I will continue to press every day until you reveal your identity, so do us both a favor and save the time." and "Obviously, some in Bexel will know you, so there is no point avoiding this...as I certainly won't drop this matter, so do the fair thing and take off the mask.". I obviously don't intend to reveal any personal information to him, but I find it rather unsettling that he is determined to find my real identity. VegaDark 02:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

:In my opinion, this justifies a longer block. His initial threats were against VegaDark and he continues to threaten this user through email. Is there any way we can confirm this? --Yamla 15:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Lacjc26 is the same as 134 due to an email I recieved earlier today. Will (^E_@) T 11:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Shouldn't we find HIS phone number and tell him to fuck off? We can NOT allow this kind of abuse. --mboverload@ 19:25, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Mr. Cookie, from what I understand, is a suspected sockpuppet of the indef-blocked user Bugman94. I personally don't have any evidence to support this, but this user has gone off and already disrupted the several pages quite a bit. From spamming {{helpme}} messages on his talk page despite requests to stop doing so to, putting needless tags, and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=R._L._Stine&diff=prev&oldid=56601345 blatant copyright violations], it is my personal opinion that this is an experienced user just trying to make a scene and disrupt as much as they can as possible. An assertion that the user may be a possible sockpuppet can be seen [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Electrified_mocha_chinchilla#User:Mr._Cookie here],

User:Doc_glasgow has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=Doc+glasgow&page= delete 50+ political and/or POV userbox templates], citing WP:CSD#Templates speedy deletion criteria for templates T2, which is heavily contested, never was introduced as policy and has no consensus. According to the official speedy deletion criteria T1 only "divisive or inflammatory" templates should be speedy-deleted. These actions blatantly disregard process and consensus on Wikipedia. I request that the speedy deleted templates are restored and T2 deletion actions are ceased. CharonX 02:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

He is just ignoring us and is using his sock puppets to avoid his Block! What can be done? He has more than one "tell" that gives him away. --Sott 08:43, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Can someone please have a look at the newly-created account {{User|-shill-}}. I'm about to have lunch now, but the ~~~~ signature in [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Chooserr&diff=prev&oldid=56301656 this message] makes me suspicious. AnnH ♫ 11:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

---{{Userblock|-Ril-}} AKA -- -- Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal-- -- Victim of signature fascism -- -- ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) -- --Doc (?) -- --Doc ^ask? -- --Doc Glasgow

{{Userblock|-Ril-}} AKA -- -- Victim of signature fascism | There is no cabal-- -- Victim of signature fascism -- -- ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) -- --Doc (?) -- --Doc ^ask? -- --Doc Glasgow has always been a bit if a bully. His old Sockpuppets used to like to stalk and redirect. Now that he has admin powers he is even more of a problem. See what Doc/Ril did to TheFacts !!

Hi all - I request you to please pay attention to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_nationalism&curid=319038&diff=56596135&oldid=56568011], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hindu_nationalism&diff=prev&oldid=56562532], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:66.159.84.202&diff=prev&oldid=56579717]. This anon IP fellow insists on making blatantly POV edits to Hindu nationalism, and in turn accuses me of "vandalism," and me having a problem with the "truth and Hindu communalism." I'm afraid I got dangerously close to breaking the 3RR law myself, but I had to make the necessary corrections. I've warned him about WP:NPA and 3RR. I request administrator attention with this anon IP, whose next move might demand blocking. Rama's Arrow 02:26, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

I know this is a bit out of the scope of the page, but it is vandalism.

This (new?) user account, Sir Nicholas de Mimsy-Porpington 2, just today removed a comment from Talk:Braveheart which is presumably regarded as vandalism. Could you check the doings of this new account, as I see a risk of it being some sleeper account planted to later cause havoc and/or a sockpuppet (don't know whether there are already accounts Sir Nicholas 3, Sir Nicholas 4...) Maed 10:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Sort? --Quentin Smith 17:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

It appears some users continue to add a telephone number to this article, with the comment "His number is open to the public at all times". Even if Mr. Jones' number is freely accessible in the phone book, or even on his web site, and even if he actually wants strangers to call him, I don't think this is appropriate information for a biography. Could I get some more people to watchlist this page? — Jun. 3, '06 [19:12] <[{{fullurl:user:freakofnurture}} freak]|[{{fullurl:user talk:freakofnurture|action=edit§ion=new}} talk]>

I was blocked by this admin for spamming, which I admit I did without knowing the policy on this. I have appologized for this in my talk page. And didn't post such messages after being warned, this admin simply didn't consider this, I dont know whether he/she should've considered this. But I feel this is very unfair, though my account was unblocked still one of my IP is blocked.  «₪Mÿš†íc₪»  ^(T) 20:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)