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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/$uicideBoy$

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Consensus is that the group fails WP:BAND. Notable that several of the KEEP comments are by very new users with few other edits. Joyous! | Talk 23:02, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

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Fails WP:N and WP:BAND. Seems to be a totally un-notable duo, with a few home-made releases between them. Not to mention that the whole article is unsourced and has massive WP:BLP issues (drug addiction claims, for one). This could be a speedy delete, as the same user created it before and it went through this AfD. Be grateful if someone could check the deleted copy. And a brand new donkey for whoever can tell me what the line "Once they joined forces, the result was a dark blend of horrorcore glitch-trap bubbling with booming bass, ominous atmospherics, and occultish, drugged-out rhymes" actually means. Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 13:53, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

The Article Was Edited By Multiple Administrators, The Article Was Previously Deleted Because They Hadn't Toured Nor Did They Chart On The BillBoards. Now They Have Charted And Have Toured WorldWide Which In Prospective seems to be Notable. The Information On That Page Was From A Review Posted On Pandora which You Can Find [http://www.pandora.com/$uicideBoy$ Here], I Have Been Having Trouble Citing The Information Provided and would like some feedback... As Far As "A Few Home-Made Releases" Goes... They Have Released 30 Mixtapes and Ep's... Is That Really "Home-Made" Including Their Most Remarkable EP Radical $uicide Which Charted #13 On Billboards Rap Albums which you can find [http://www.billboard.com/charts/rap-albums/2016-08-13?order=gainer Here], Was Produced By A Semi-Famous EDM Producer (Getter), and Yes They do refference Drugs like most Rap Artist Out There, But To Do A Little Research They Actually Fall Into Different Sub-Genres Cloud rap Horrorcore Rapcore, And I Feel Its Acceptable To Talk About Past Drug Issues, No? I Would Much Rather Receive Feedback and Support On Improving This Article Than Hate and Deletion. EvanDanielCollett (talk • contribs) 14:19, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

:Can you type that again without using the caps lock at the start of each new word? Lugnuts Precious bodily fluids 14:23, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Haha No, I Can Not. EvanDanielCollett (talk • contribs) 15:01, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Note: User:EvanDanielCollett has been blocked for socking. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:11, 18 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment: I'm so distraught by EvanDanielCollett's use of capitalization that I want to start an XfD for this AfD! Evan, do not share your email for offsite discussion. If you're going to !vote keep, do it in a way that addresses the nominator's issues. Jergling (talk) 15:58, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment I can only see two edits in this article from admins; one corrects a template error and one reverts an edit by EvanDanielCollett. --Anthony Bradbury"talk" 23:13, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment It appears as though EvanDanielCollett has been blocked. This should spare us from his aneurysm-inducing use of capitalization for at least a short time Asm20 (talk) 01:36, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Jergling Thank you for the feedback! I will try and improve the use of my capitalization, along with that my email has been removed. Evan Daniel Collett 16:05, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

:: Nice, thank you for cleaning that up. I'll actually comment on the article now! Jergling (talk) 16:52, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Delete: No assertion of notability. Evan, please try to understand the policy here: Wikipedia is not judging $uicideBoy$, we're assessing the media surrounding them. No news outlets, professional reviewers, or industry groups have recognized the band, so we won't keep an article about them. The article itself also violates Neutral Point of View by using fluffy prose like "dark blend of horrorcore glitch-trap bubbling with booming bass, ominous atmospherics, and occultish, drugged-out rhymes". We don't allow self-published content like that. Jergling (talk) 17:04, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep: You know, I think that the notability of this is better than some articles on here. However, due to WP:BAND, it must be deleted, unless we use WP:IAR. Keep in mind Letter and Spirit of the Law. I vote to keep, while totally agreeing with Jergling on the fact that it does infringe upon NPOV quite a lot. It appears that a major edit is taking place, so perhaps the NPOV can be fixed? Dadofme (talk) 17:34, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

:: Thank you for the nod, but could you explain your bid to keep? The article has no independent sources, at all, and my searches haven't turned up any. No one appears to have written about this band except the band themselves. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is never an acceptable reason to keep. Jergling (talk) 20:01, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Delete. Only one reference, with nothing approaching a discussion of the subject. I note that the user undertaking the "major edit" has been blocked. Maproom (talk) 18:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Comment Regarding the WP:CSD#G4, the deleted version of the article is similar to this one; however as that AfD did not close with a straight "delete" consensus, but was short-circuited via another admin speedying it, I can't in good conscience delete it under that criteria when somebody has !voted "keep". Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 18:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

::*Fair enough, and it's always useful to have a proper AfD close for future recreations. Note however that the article has been deleted in two previous AfDs: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/$UICIDEBOY$ and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/$uicideboy$. $uicideboy$ was salted back in June because it was recreated so many times; $UICIDEBOY$ ditto, in July. --bonadea contributions talk 18:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Delete - does not meet WP:NMUSIC at this time. I removed the "inuse" template since the user who placed it is blocked, and it's been a few hours without any edits to the article since it was put there anyway. --bonadea contributions talk 18:46, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

::That's not answering for the blatant 3 times this has been deleted now or the fact there's literally nothing but their own websites as sources, that's far far from being an acceptable article. SwisterTwister talk 01:20, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Delete The article does not seem to fit WP:BAND standards. Failure to meet WP:N is arguable, however I do not believe that it meets that standard either. A quick read through the article also brings up NPOV issues. This article fails too many of Wikipedia's standards for there to be a good reason to keep it. Asm20 (talk) 01:25, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep I believe The $uicideboy$ are remarkable, they have toured worldwide more than once, have charted, and are continuing to grow. In my opinion I think this article needs to be sourced and cited more, but overall deserves a page on The Wiki Unstoppable . Maniac (talk) 01:31, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

::To state the obvious, it wouldn't matter if they own their websites, because it's still their own "website" listed and their socials, that's not notability nor will it be mistaken as such. Also, simply because they have charted, is not alone convincing since we would need actual sources, not authored by themselves such as official websites, socials, advertising, etc. SwisterTwister talk 01:38, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

User:Swister Twister check [http://www.billboard.com/charts/rap-albums/2016-08-13?order=gainer here] Unstoppable . Maniac (talk) 01:41, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:TOOSOON. Flickerd (talk) 06:52, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Delete. Besides the above, if they were going to have an article we'd have to throw all of this one away anyway. The lead is pure bafflegab and the next section seems to consist about 2/3 of uncited "people in band interested in music" and 1/3 of some rather BLP-dubious uncited assertions about drugs. Pinkbeast (talk) 08:38, 16 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep - They got there EP to chart [http://www.billboard.com/charts/rap-albums/2016-08-13?order=gainer here], which meets WP:MUSICBIO. JustDoItFettyg (talk) 20:55, 17 November 2016 (UTC)
  • Keep - Not only have they toured, and charted but the article has been referenced and sourced better and is continuing to improve. If that's not enough we can use [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ignore_all_rules WP: IAR] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8800:1689:F700:F968:B41D:7C8:527A (talk) 17:29, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

::Why would IAR be applicable here? That makes no sense at all. As for the sources, they are all similar to last.fm or soundcloud, as far as I can tell. None of the sources actually indicates notability. --bonadea contributions talk 17:46, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

  • Delete they don't pass WP:BAND, and also being that I'm actually a fan and avid listener of these guys, I've yet to see them in any notable publication. The group going on some tours (as all at least semi successful internet rappers do) doesn't mean anything. They're a really popular internet rap group but that isn't saying much. Do you know how many SoundCloud rappers almost at $uicideboy$'s popularity level aren't on Wikipedia? Pouya (rapper), Fat Nick, Lil Peep, Killstation, ... where are these articles? $uicdeboy$ shouldn't be given some special treatment above them Second Skin (talk) 22:38, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

::NOTE: OH AND FOR THE RECORD, this article is actually blacklist evasion. Notice how the proper name $uicideboy$ is protected from being created. This page should be deleted solely for that reason alone. Second Skin (talk) 22:40, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

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:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.