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2nd attempt at deletion, under a new title. This game is not more notable than any other fourth-quarter comeback, so why should it have its own article? The "National Football League lore" page is here to cover games like these. BwburkeLetsPlays (talk|contribs) 23:49, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

*Delete, as I said in my [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=New_Miracle_in_the_New_Meadowlands&curid=30115322&diff=403258121&oldid=403256593 PROD] it is a neologism and appears to be made up judging by the complete lack of coverage on google. SmartSE (talk) 23:51, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep the article was titled "New Miracle in the New Meadowlands" which didn't have any coverage. The sourcing is probably sufficient for an article now, although I would like to see lasting coverage in the future, to ensure this isn't a flash in the pan. SmartSE (talk) 18:41, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• Merge Keep - I've seen the name "The Miracle at the New Meadowlands" in many sources ([http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/12/19/miracle-at-the-new-meadowlands-sinks-giants/], [http://phillysportsdaily.com/eagles/2010/12/19/comeback-complete-eagles-stun-giants/], [http://www.delcotimes.com/articles/2010/12/19/opinion/doc4d0e7af200758692641695.txt] and [http://www.wfmz.com/sports/26189257/detail.html]), so it isn't a neologism. I think it would be worth keeping as a section at The Miracle at the Meadowlands. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:55, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. -- Eagles 24/7 (C) 00:17, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep for now but rename, as the Giants and Eagles played two games this year. Recentism notwithstanding, I think that there's a good chance this game may be remembered enough to warrant its own article. It's true there are a lot of fourth-quarter comebacks. It's not true that many involve scoring four touchdowns in the last half of the fourth quarter (I had last glanced at the game when Kevin Boss made his big catch and really thought the Giants had this one in the bag) to overcome a 21-point deficit. It's as true of the original Miracle at the Meadowlands that it was won on an improbable play involving a fumble in the last 30 seconds. It's also the continuation of a sports rivalry that has seen a number of other amazing late-game reversals in a new stadium. To nominate this one for deletion within hours of it being over is, to me, the equivalent of nominating September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks for deletion that evening on the grounds that they weren't more notable than other terrorist attacks. WP:CRYSTAL notwithstanding, sometimes we just know things will be notable before they acquire it through our usual criteria. Daniel Case (talk) 01:12, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, This is the first time a game has been won with a punt-return touchdown being the last play this is a very significant game.--Jack Cox (talk) 01:16, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• I'm unaware how this is like any fourth quarter comeback, 28 points in 7:30 left in the game, and the first ever game ending punt return for a touchdown. This should be kept, and not merged with the The Miracle at the Meadowlands.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.29.178 (talk • contribs)
• Keep, If you didn't watch this game first hand you have no idea what kind of game this years. Both reporters, commentators, and spectators like myself can assure this is a once in a lifetime game. This is the best football game I have watched in years. Absolutely memorable. **71.125.79.69 (talk) 02:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

:*Sorry, but that's not a valid keep rationale. Eagles 24/7 (C) 02:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep The Miracle at the Meadowlands has a great article, rating as B-Class on the project's quality scale and a Mid-importance rating on the project's importance scale. (See its talk page.) This article should have an equal opportunity to succeed. Taggart.BBS (talk) 05:50, 20 December 2010 (UTC) (originally written as my ip address on the talk page 71.225.99.75)
• 100% Keep and close discussion ASAP. This deletion request was made entirely too hastily by the requester and since the six cited pieces in the article are all referring to this game by the name on the title page, no reason to delete it, merge it, or rename it. --173.54.210.91 (talk) 08:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, A simple google search for news about "The Miracle at new Meadowlands" will bring up multiple articles about this amazing comeback by the Eagles which closely resembles the original The Miracle at the Meadowlands. This is going to be a very big story in the coming days and the current lack of coverage on Google will change. It was a seemingly impossible play by Eagles receiver Desean Jackson with just 14 seconds left in the game on a punt return. A memorable play like this which can be appreciated by sports fans of all caliber deserves its own page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.170.212.175 (talk) 08:57, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep, why does every new an trendy topic always get hit with a deletion attempt? Do you know what Wikipedia is not? A dusty behind the times and always out of date print encyclopedia like the Encyclopedia Britannica. Anyway, 4th and 26 has an article and that's just one play so please stop with the passive aggressive deletion requests.Sturmovik (talk) 13:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep Everyone's guess, about whether this one will or will not be talked about years from now, is equally valid. I suspect that it will be. Because of the history of the Eagles-Giants rivalry, the link to the 1978 game, and the playoff implications of this one, the comeback has more significance than it would have if it had happened in, say, yesterday's game between Arizona and Carolina. Mandsford 15:49, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• Strong keep This is not just any old game. I won't rehash all of the reasons why (users above have nailed them already) but this is a game that will be talked about and replays will be shown for decades to come. The same way that the original Miracle at the Meadowlands is still flashed back every single time these teams meet, so will this one. Jrcla2 (talk) 01:11, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• Too Soon It was an exciting game, but I think it is too soon to have an article about it. Both teams could still make the playoffs. I think history will be a good judge on this one. The Packers Vs Cardinals game from last years playoffs was the highest scoring playoff game in NFL history and I believe had the most yards by both teams. I am pretty sure it was decided that it was too soon to create an article for that game, and again that was a playoff game. I just feel it is too soon for this one. Gilliganfanatic 01:20, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• Strong keep — I can't really improve on any of the reasons already given for keeping this article, but this game will undoubtedly become part of NFL lore for generations to come. — Dale Arnett (talk) 01:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - Notable for several reasons above, worst case MERGE into Notable American Sports Comebacks - 2010-2019 or the like... Bill D (talk) 06:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - Just like the Music City Miracle, this was an instant classic. As others have said, Eagles-Giants is one of the classic rivalries in the NFL, and has been the stage for several of the league's most memorable moments, but this is likely the most amazing chapter in the history of the series. This was the very first game the Eagles played in the new stadium. I believe it's the first time a team has overcome a 21-point deficit in the last eight minutes of a game without needing overtime to win. I know it's the first walk-off punt return TD in history. This is the latest in the season that a team has overcome a 21-point fourth quarter deficit, and it was a de facto division championship game. It may be the game that wins Michael Vick the MVP award, an amazing story in itself. And it wasn't just one play, it has layers and layers of analysis that has already happened and will almost certainly continue to happen for years. It doesn't matter if the Giants wind up winning the Super Bowl this year. 30 years from now, the names of the players involved, the year, and the score may be trivia questions to the next generation, but children will still be hearing from their parents and grandparents about the Miracle in the New Meadowlands. Amcw7760 (talk) 06:39, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep - I beg to differ with BwburkeLetsPlays, who said that this was no more historic than any other fourth quarter comeback. This was the first time in NFL history that a team came back from 21 down to win with only 8+ minutes left in the game, and the first time in NFL history that a game was won with a punt return as time expired. Rodney420 (talk) 17:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - I think, given the nature of this win, in the fourth quarter with 7:41 left, to score 28 points is a good enough reason to keep this article. However, let's look at the other factors involved. This is, as mentioned before, the first game to be won on a punt return for a touchdown. You have a record being set to cap off one of the best comebacks ever seen. You also have to take into account the sheer amount of history involved in the rivalry of these two teams. They have always been huge rivals and have so much history against one another that this will be just another piece of lore in a historical contest full of them. KevinMS83 (talk) 02:20, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep Rationale - The Miracle at the Meadowlands has a great article, rating as B-Class on the project's quality scale and a Mid-importance rating on the project's importance scale. (See its talk page. This article should have an equal opportunity to succeed. 71.225.99.75 (talk) 22:01, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep- This article is only being challenged by disgruntled Giants fans. There was an NFL first (Jackson's TD) and as time passes, will be remembered as a marquee game of the 2010 season. This game was a remarkable comeback. Jmpenzone (talk) 16:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep- Not only is it one of the greatest comebacks in NFL history with an amazing late in the 4th quarter turnaround and won on the last play, Jackson's punt return for a touchdown, but the term "Miracle at the New Meadowlands" does exist likely coined first by Mick Quick on 94.1 FM WYSP in Philadelphia(the call then rebroadcast nationwide on ESPN radio), talking to Merrill Reese, but as another poster mentioned Wikipedia itself already hosts an article on the first "Miracle at the Meadowlands" which holds rationale for this one existing.(149.168.171.201 (talk) 19:03, 20 December 2010 (UTC))

• Keep- Unique in that this was the only NFL game to end on a game-winning punt-return touchdown. Game nickname "Miracle at the New Meadowlands" being used in sports news headlines: http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/Another_Miracle_at_the_Meadowlands.html ; http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/23216/eagles-deliver-miracle-in-the-meadowlands —Preceding unsigned comment added by 155.47.111.74 (talk) 19:10, 20 December 2010 (UTC)
• This article should not be deleted. "Miracle at the New Meadowlands" is a great title; so is "The Return" or "The Comeback II" I'm a Redskins fan and I think it was amazing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.219.44 (talk) 00:00, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - as soon as the game was played, everybody from the fans to the players to the media instantly brought up the historic nature of the game and how it'll be remembered for years to come. While it's obviously not known if it will be remembered as much as the other miracle games, there's no denying that it deserves a Wikipedia article due to the historic nature of the comeback. RPH (talk) 00:19, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - Instant Lore! Without a dobut and they will talk about it and was a wonderful comback end of story! Talladega87 (talk) Talladega87 (talk) 00:23, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Certainly Keep - One of the top 5 most unbelievable and exciting comebacks of all-time; needs to be remembered properly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.114.220.100 (talk) 02:36, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - though I am apparently one of only approximately ten people^ in the whole country who didn't see it, I've heard about it. Which means, to me, that it's pretty danged notable. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 03:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

:^may be an exaggeration --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 03:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

• Keep - this is a notable collapse that is tied with the biggest collapse in the 4th quarter in Giants history (the other one, however, involved the entire 4th quarter), and among the biggest collapses in NFL history. Since the AFL-NFL merger, only the Monday Night Miracle was a bigger collapse. As such, this game should easily meet WP:N for perpetuity. --AEMoreira042281 (talk) 16:11, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
• Strong Keep - Aside from having received significant coverage from numerous reliable independent sources, this game will obviously be remembered for many, many years because of the historic nature of the Eagles' miraculous comeback in the 4th quarter. --SoCalSuperEagle (talk) 20:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep I have a feeling the person nominating this article is a Giants fan. That has to be the only reason. This is an instant classic, an instant bit of National Football League lore, and will be talked about in perpetuity. (BTW: not an Eagles fan here.) --Kitch ^{(Talk : Contrib)} 12:23, 25 December 2010 (UTC)
• Keep I don't care one way or another about the Philadelphia Eagles, but if there is gonna be articles for American football's greatest moments, there is no choice but to add this to the annals; it will be far more notable than many of the other amazing games that have changed this game forever. CeleritasSoni (talk) 23:08, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

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