Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Interscholastic League of Honolulu Football Season

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This article seems to be unsourced and unnotable and therefore I hereby propose it for deletion. Go Phightins! (talk) 22:37, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

• COMMENT: The article remains unsourced because it currently documents a future football season. As for notability, the Interscholastic League of Honolulu is one of the oldest sports leagues in the nation (even precedes the NFHS). Football teams in the ILH consistently rank in the top 500 in the nation. Notable members of the ILH include Punahou School (largest independent school in the United States), Kamehameha Schools-Kapalama Campus (largest endowment of any secondary school in the United States), Iolani School (4th largest independent school in the United State), and St. Louis School (one of the most successful football programs in the nation). Furthermore because Hawaii lacks any professional sports teams, high school sports (especially football) are very popular among the populace. The ILH football season (and HHSAA football season as a whole) has a following of hundreds of thousands both on Oahu and on the neighbor islands.--Ctoshw (talk) 00:53, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• ADDITIONAL COMMENT: I've thought about combining this with the OIA football season or even documenting the entire HHSAA football season as a whole. However, the OIA season alone is a fairly large page. A combined OIA-ILH/HHSAA page would be simply too large to navigate.--Ctoshw (talk) 01:46, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

So we just take your word that all info. is accurate and the subject is in fact notable even though you haven't provided a single reference, external link, or anything else that shows the importance of the subject. That makes a ton of sense. Go Phightins! (talk) 01:50, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

• COMMENT: [http://www.punahou.edu/page.cfm?p=1538 Punahou School Citation]. [http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2008/01/25/business/2008prepgraphic.jpg KS-Kapalama Endowment Citation]. The Iolani citation can be found on the Iolani School website under "Did You Know?" Access is denied unless you are a member of the school. All of the above information can also be found in each schools respective wiki. According to the 2011-2012 football season Freeman football rankngs, Punahou ended ranked #251 nationally{{cite web|title=Punahou High School Football Rankings|url=http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/punahou-buff-n-blue-(honolulu,hi)/football/rankings.htm|publisher=Max Preps|accessdate=9 February 2012}}, Kamehameha finished ranked #490{{cite web|title=Kamehameha High School Football Rankings|url=http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/kamehameha-warriors-(honolulu,hi)/football/rankings.htm|publisher=Max Preps|accessdate=9 February 2012}}. In 2010-2011, St. Louis finished #122{{cite web|title=St. Louis Football Rankings (2010-11)|url=http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/st-louis-crusaders-(honolulu,hi)/football-fall-10/rankings.htm|publisher=Max Preps|accessdate=9 February 2012}}, in 2009-2010 Kamehameha finished #74{{cite web|title=Kamehameha Football Rankings (2009-10)|url=http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/kamehameha-warriors-(honolulu,hi)/football-fall-09/rankings.htm|publisher=Max Pres|accessdate=9 February 2012}}, Iolani ranked #503{{cite web|title='Iolani Football Rankings (2009-10)|url=http://www.maxpreps.com/high-schools/iolani-raiders-(honolulu,hi)/football-fall-09/rankings.htm|publisher=Max Preps|accessdate=9 February 2012}}, and so on. Using this same source, in the years the schools didn't rank in the top 100, they WERE in the top 1000. And as for references in the article itself, once the season starts and more information becomes available for the season itself, then the information will be referenced.--Ctoshw (talk) 02:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
• Delete no sources, appears to violate original research and notability standards as well as the crystal ball argument. High school football seasons are normally not notable and this does not appear to be an exception. Nice enthusiasm on the part of the article creator or creators! Try another wiki?--Paul McDonald (talk) 05:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
• COMMENT: Here is a nice article I found from USA Today explaining how football (especially high school football) is important in Hawaiian culture. [http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/2004-11-09-hawaii-football_x.htm]--Ctoshw (talk) 21:31, 9 February 2012 (UTC)
• Response I'm sure it is important to local culture. It still does not meet the notability standards for inclusion in this encyclopedia.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:14, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
• Note it appears there may be a procedural issue with this nomination--the standard AFD header is not appearing.--Paul McDonald (talk) 16:15, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
• Fixed thanks whoever fixed it.--Paul McDonald (talk) 20:40, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of American football-related deletion discussions. Paul McDonald (talk) 20:38, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

• Delete - As Paul McDonald mentioned, high school football seasons are not normally notable, and with no sources, there's no reason to think this one will be. cmadler (talk) 23:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
• Delete - High school football seasons aren't often notable, particularly ones that haven't happened yet. —SW— ^comment 22:44, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
• Delete as not being notable. While we're at it, can we also include Hawaii High School Athletic Association and Interscholastic League of Honolulu in this debate as well? Neither of those articles are sourced, and I feel any article listed here SHOULD have sources to establish notabilty. 98.28.12.216 (talk) 14:02, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
• COMMENT I disagree with you on deleting the HHSAA article. Deletion of the HHSAA article would mean all other state wide high school athletic associations would have there own wiki except for Hawaii. If this is the case, then deletion of Alabama High School Athletic Association, Alaska School Activities Association, Arizona Interscholastic Association, District of Columbia Interscholastic Athletic Association, and all other similar articles should occur. As for the ILH, it is one of the oldest prep athletic conferences in the nation (founded 1909).--Ctoshw (talk) 20:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
• Response A baseball player who played in the 1920s isn't necessarily more notable than one who plays currently simply because he's older. That's extremely flawed logic. Go Phightins! (talk) 21:04, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
• Comment it's outside the realm of this AFD, but I want to throw in my thoughts: I do not think the HHSAA article should be deleted and instead should be improved. It seems to be a noteworthy organization. The ILH seems to me to be simply a high school league of a few teams and I don't see any reason it should be notable. However, I don't think either article should be deleted because of THIS afd.--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:46, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

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