Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2012 Seattle cafe shooting spree (2nd nomination)

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WP:EVENT Not satisfied, tragic but WP is not a place for crime that sadly happens usually. Beerest355 Talk 20:29, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - The death toll would seem to be more than just a simple crime to me. There have been much smaller instances of carnage that no one would question (ie the Boston Marathon attacks last year) that have articles as well. I believe this incident is outstanding in its scale given six people died. DarExc (talk) 20:55, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

::It's not remotely comparable with the Boston Marathon attacks, which were a major and (for the USA) very rare event - an Islamist bombing attack in the USA, a terrorist attack on American civilians, a globally massive news story for several days and still the subject of continued media interest shown by a series of subsequent controversies, news stories, various upcoming books, etc. In contrast, this is a sadly run-of-the-mill spree killing. --Colapeninsula (talk) 15:32, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

• Delete - Wikipedia is not a news outlet and it is not a memorial (which impression is given by multiple pictures of one of the victims). Tragic event but not an encyclopedic one. Jerry Pepsi (talk) 21:41, 2 November 2013 (UTC)
• Keep. I have my own personal doubts as to the encyclopedic value of these types of articles, but this one seems to satisfy WP:EVENT: it's got coverage from multiple independent, national sources; the cited sources indicate a long-lasting effect on the politics of Seattle by igniting controversy over gun control and the militarization of the police; and the Feds got involved, citing concerns of a string of spree-shootings in Seattle. Clearly, there's something to discuss, even though this article seems more oriented toward the creation of a memorial. I won't miss it if it's deleted, but consensus seems to be that we keep these articles. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 22:03, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 22:35, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 22:35, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 22:35, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - passes basic GNG.--BabbaQ (talk) 13:58, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
• Delete - Does not pass the criteria of WP:EVENT: coverage has not "persist[ed] over a period of time". Article's citations are only for the week of the event. If this event had more lasting significance, as User:NinjaRobotPirate suggests, then add material to the article and cite it, or at least post a couple citations here, so that we can see the lasting significance. I'll gladly change my !vote if/when that happens. Livit⇑^Eh?/_What? 20:08, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 00:25, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

• Weak Keep I'm very suspicious of crime articles, which usually fail the one event test, but this one appears to have just enough significant coverage over a year later in reliable secondary sources to keep. Like NinjaRobotPirate, I'm a bit dubious about whether news articles of this source are really appropriate to the project, but at this point it appears to qualify. Nwlaw63 (talk) 03:14, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:37, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

• Keep - passes WP:EVENT. The event attracted [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2153505/Ian-Lee-Stawicki-Seattle-gun-massacre-hero-reveals-vowed-hide-table-brother-died-9-11.html international coverage], still important at least locally [http://www.seattlepi.com/local/article/Cafe-Racer-one-year-later-4553783.php a year later here], the event is included in dozens of papers, articles, news stories, etc. about shootings and guns consistently since it happened, and it's still a part of gun control discourse and a central figure in the "Gun Free Zone" controversies in Seattle. I'm not saying any of these are a slam dunk, but taht cases can be made for broad coverage, lasting effects, and prolonged coverage, any one of which can satisfy WP:EVENT. If you don't believe the links supporting any of these exist that's one thing, but them not being linked here is insufficient for deletion. --Rhododendrites (talk) 05:17, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:EVENT. Why on earth this was relisted twice (by the same person) is beyond me. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 07:52, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

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