Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/4th millennium in fiction

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This is a collection of trivial references. The fact that a whole bunch of speculative fictional timelines pass through this period doesn't seem interesting, and the notability of that isn't established in third-party sources. Relevant guidance: WP:IPC -- Beland (talk) 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Popular culture-related deletion discussions. Beland (talk) 18:56, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

:As the creator of the page, I can offer the traditional reason for creating pages like this in the first place: so I don't have to spend the rest of eternity removing fictional examples from the 4th millennium page. If you want to take on the responsibility of deleting this page, take on the responsibility of patrolling 4th millennium. Serendi^podous 19:48, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

::Either the material belongs in Wikipedia or it doesn't. If it doesn't belong, having a dedicated article for it to be dumped isn't a solution; it actually makes the unwanted material a permanent part of the project. Leaving a note not to add fictional entries (or describing the narrow cases where they are welcome) would probably help. -- Beland (talk) 23:39, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

:::{{u|Beland}}:If I leave a note not to add fictional entries, how do I explain the fictional entries in every other future century and millennium article? Serendi^podous 00:26, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

::::{{reply|Serendipodous}} Since there seems to be consensus this type of material should be deleted, I've removed it from all those articles. -- Beland (talk) 17:10, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

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• Comment :Category:Fiction set in the 4th millennium exist, as do a lot of categories for different time periods. Not sure if any of them are really that useful. Dream Focus 20:16, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

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• Delete. There's no real commonality here. The setting could be changed to the 5th millennium, the 10th, the nth, without making any real difference. It's just a number. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:58, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
• Delete - There are not any sources that actually discuss concept of fiction that takes place during the 3000's as an overall topic, so there is not really any way the article could be developed. And, as it stands, it is nothing more than a mostly unsourced list of pop culture references. Like Clarityfiend said, there's no real link between any of these works aside from the fact that they happen to take place somewhere between one and two thousand years in the future. I certainly sympathize with the article creator's motivation of wanting to keep this endless list of trivia off of the main 4th millennium article, but like Beland said, creating a separate list for it does not solve the problem as much as just shunt it to another area. Rorshacma (talk) 00:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Fiction set in the 21st century, 22nd century in fiction, and Far future in fiction have the same problems. The latter already has a notability tag from May 2019. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 04:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Delete: FANCRUFT, fails NFICTION _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:57, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

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• Delete as entirely constructed from original observations from editors. I don't envy the people who patrol articles like 4th millennium, but this is where it helps to expand on our guidelines and edit protections. Archrogue (talk) 20:29, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
• Delete as WP:IINFO and unverifiable in practice. There are no sources for any of this, and so it doesn't even begin to meet the WP:GNG. Wikipedia articles are also WP:NOT#PLOT details compiled together. Not only should this be deleted, but I'd lend my voice that this shouldn't be re-created as a section in the 4th millennium article. Shooterwalker (talk) 22:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
• Delete. No sources specifically about the 4th millennium in fiction, unlike Far future in fiction where at least there are sources that could be used to write an article, though not one that resembles the existing version. I sympathize with Serendipodous's comment about keeping this sort of material out of the 4th millennium article, but corraling the material into a non-notable article is not the answer. Mike Christie (talk - contribs - library) 13:23, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment Now that we have adults who have lived their entire lives in the 21st-century, is it not time to stop treating "fiction set in the 21st-century" as a default sub-section of only science fiction? I think that article needs a huge rewrite at this point, unless there is no unifying topic at all. Considering Wikipedia was inagurated in the 21st-century I am not sure how the article has come to be so oddly formatted.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• The article might be better named Nineteenth and Twenteeth Century fiction set in the 21st-century.John Pack Lambert (talk) 15:47, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Comment With :Category:Fiction set in 2001 the train wreck of treating the fictional setting of time as a unifying trait has happened. One work in that article is 2001 a Space Odyssey (novel). Then there is a Start Treck episode made in 1999, the 2009 Japanese novel Another, the 2001 young adult novel Born Blue, the 2010 audio drama The Demons of Red Lodge and Other Stories which is related to Dr. Who, the 1956 Robert Heinlein novel The Door into Summer (which is also set in 1970 and 2000, it involves complex layers of both hard sleep and time travel), Doxology (a 2019 novel where the main characters deal with the impact of the events of Sep. 11, 2001), Flight (a 1995 novel that has a very confusing setting, but does involve 2001 I guess), Golden Wind (manga) a manga written from 1995-1999 set in 2001, El grito a 2004 Argentine novel set during Argentina's 2001 economic meltdown, Love Money a 2004 novel with the main character in NYC during the Sep. 11th attacks, Marching In a 1970 short story by Isaac Asimove set in 2001, My Year of Rest and Relaxation a 2018 novel set in NYC in 2000 and 2001 that does not actually say much of Sep. 11, The Orange Mocha-Chip Frappuccino Years a 2003 novel that is set in 2000 and 2001 just because that is the recent past, the pilo to (The 4400) which has a lot of past settings. A few more works. Only 3 of these (2 novels and 1 short story) were written more than 7 years before 2001, and there are 18 more novels that are categorized as related to September 11th. At least for 2001 the majority of fiction set then treats it as the present or the past not the future. This treatment of thesse as a unified group makes no sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:32, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Delete as sources don't cover this as a distinct topic. There is nothing discriminate about this millennium compared to any other point in the fictional future, and a redirect to science fiction would be the most this deserves. Jontesta (talk) 20:52, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
• Delete Indiscriminate listcruft. Largely unreferenced and original research._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 12:31, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

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