Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/AC-DC (song)

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Fails WP:NSONG. Never released as a single, and Released as a single by one artist, but there are no reliable sources providing individual in-depth coverage of the song, and as far as I can tell it has never charted anywhere, in any version by any artist. A redirect doesn't seem possible, partly because it has been covered by two different notable artists (hence WP:XY), and partly because the two artists in question spell the song differently on their albums (AC-DC, and A.C.D.C.) A search for this title is likely to be overwhelmingly for the band, and then the electrical current. Richard3120 (talk) 17:21, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Richard3120 (talk) 17:23, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

:Strong oppose This was a huge hit in the 70's with Sweet, on Sweet Fanny Adams. But it's written by Nicky Chinn and Mark Chapman and other artists have later recorded it too, such as Joan Jett on the album Sinner. This is about logical separation, Chinn-Chapmann original spelling was "AC-DC" as of the Sweet LP. At that time far more famous than the Australian band - actually. We can't have a blue link to that band when referring to this song. I suppose the Joan Jett part could be left out of it for encyclopedic reasons, but most certainly not totally. Single charts are not issues especially not in the 70's, then what should we do about for instance Jethro Tull and LPs as A Passion Play and Thick as a Brick or Classic music ? We could not even have an article on one of Beatles most famous songs, Yesterday as it never was a single, neither was Led Zeppelin's Stairway to Heaven, etc. (In America perhaps, but not on the charts) Valid questions not ?

:And Sweet Fanny Adams LP sold enough, the song we discuss was aired on radio all over the UK and Western Europe. I restored this blury blue link (it was a very poor redirection). Remove Joan Jett if you like, but we must separate the song from a the band in question. And we can't do that by twisting history as if this song never has existed. By the way Today the Australian band is far more famous, without doubts, but this was the total opposite as this song first was released. Boeing720 (talk) 11:57, 24 May 2019 (UTC) {{article creator|type=AfD|Boeing720}}

::Well, firstly, "Yesterday" WAS released as a single, albeit well after the fact... it reached number eight in the UK in 1976. But that's not the point... the issue is that both "Yesterday" and "Stairway to Heaven" pass WP:NSONG because there have been many reliable sources over the years discussing the songs themselves – the fact that "Stairway to Heaven" was never a single is not relevant. There are no reliable sources that I can find talking about "AC-DC", so neither Sweet's version, nor Joan Jett's version, nor any other version is notable.

::You say it was "a huge hit in the 70s with Sweet"... no it wasn't, not individually... its parent album was, but that doesn't make the song itself notable, per WP:INHERITED. Otherwise you are arguing that every song on every charting album is notable and deserves its own article. Do we have proof to verify that the song was aired all over the UK and Europe as you suggest? Richard3120 (talk) 12:36, 24 May 2019 (UTC)

:::Beatles "Yesterday" was most certainly NOT released as a original single in the UK, neither together with the Help album. Billboard rankings etc may well be a reason for inclusion. But to exclude a song that hasn't been a single is impossible. As I tried to explain. (Led Zeppelin, Jethro Tull) But mainly I don't like links going around in circles. If this song had came out after AC/DC reached world-wide fame, it would be a silly name. But it's years earlier. As it's a cover it has to have been known enough. Pictures of Home of one of my Deep Purple favorites. Do you wish to remove all such songs ? Boeing720 (talk) 04:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

::::I never said "Yesterday" was released as a single in 1965 at the time of the Help! album. I said it was belatedly released as single in 1976. But whether a song was released as a single or not is not the defining criterion as to whether it has a Wikipedia article, it's whether it passes WP:NSONG. "Yesterday" and "Stairway to Heaven" most definitely do pass WP:NSONG, "AC-DC" appears not to, because I can't find any sources about it. Richard3120 (talk) 12:36, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

:::::As an aside, I have heard other songs from this band played ten thousand times on the radio, but never this one (as in literally never). I guess I'm exaggerating mildly as I'm pretty sure that I've heard Desolation Boulevard in its entirety a couple of times.

:::::I also don't see the point in bringing up Thick as a Brick while we're at it. There is plenty of coverage of that album. Now if someone wanted to make song pages for Parts 1 and 2, I'd vote 'delete' for those too. I don't really think that those were valid questions as they conflate issues inappropriately. The whole concept of singles coverage is irrelevant to the Tull album, but not to the song AC-DC. You bring up Joan Jett as she covered this song, but would she have achieved even a fraction of her success if she hadn't had a monster single go supernova on her second album? Which incidentally resulted in the re-release of her first album. Singles charts were hugely important even a decade after the Sweet release. If the song had possessed that kind of mojo, it would have been released as a single instead of Blitz or Fox. Oh, and "Stairway to Heaven" and "Yesterday" meet general notability — they don't even need NSONG.

:::::You can't equate the band with the song. Although I don't think it suffers without more than 'containing' search results, perhaps a silent redirect to the album would be an option. ogenstein (talk) 01:34, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

• DELETE - This doesn't meet WP:NSONG in any manner, and it has pretty much zero findability given the band. There is nothing to write about the song except that it was on an album and was covered once. It wasn't released as a single so it never charted. When it was released in North America (on a different album) it had its name changed. It is as non-notable as a song can be, which isn't a bad thing, but it doesn't really exist outside of the albums, which is where it belongs. ogenstein (talk) 01:15, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
• Delete could not find any independent sources (or any more sources for that matter), fails WP:NSONG. Rollidan (talk) 17:07, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

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