Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A Man Called Brian

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While the term "A man called Brian" does crop up in a Google News Archive and web search, none that I can see are associated with this non-notable film. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:44, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:59, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• strong keep. There are in fact already sources enough in this article, which is enough reason on its own to keep this article. More seriously, we have an enormous problem of systemic bias on anything related to Iran. See the many reasons given on the previous mass nominations of Iranian film articles at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/One Land, Five Nations, and the nomination of this film under its earlier title at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/A man called Brian (nominated, incidentally, by an editor now banned for sockpuppetry). --NSH001 (talk) 08:53, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

:*The only reference that even claims to be an independent secondary WP:RS is the first one, and as it's dead there's no way way of knowing what it actually was. So I'd say there are no sources that do what you claim. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 09:19, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

::*We don't delete articles because links have gone dead. It is not true, as you claim, that "The only reference that even claims to be an independent secondary WP:RS is the first one". The AZFF is undoubtedly independent, but its site only appears to have details of the current festival (2013), so another dead link. But probably the organizers, or a library, or some keen film-goer will have something, and chances are it will have been reviewed somewhere. The fajr film festival site currently appears to be inaccessible, but beware of making the assumption that because it's in Iran it's not independent. Systemic bias again. --NSH001 (talk) 10:06, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

:::*Film festival descriptions are not independent secondary WP:RS. If you program a film, you must at minimum offer a description, coupled at times with in-house interviews, etc. These are WP:PRIMARY and do not in themselves do much to establish notability, especially if they are relatively minor festivals, as they are here. And of course WP:NOTFILM#Other_evidence_of_notability only kicks in for the festival selection if it's been five years after initial release. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 13:00, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• A systemic bias is always a concern, but as this film was about an English activist and protester and was screened in the West, it becomes less about an unfortunate bias against Iranian topics and more about how small budget independent documentary films do not get the same level of coverage as do their major-studio big-budgeted highly-touted blockbuster-film brethren. I think it makes sense that this documentary may be spoken of in the article on Brian Haw and this title be redirected to and also mentioned in filmmaker Mahmoud Shoolizadeh's article. We do not expect such films to have the same level of notability or sourcability as might Star Wars or Indiana Jones. And we can allow undeletion or recreation once this finds just a touch more coverage (likely in books on British activism) or if later meets WP:OEN by being screened in a retrospective OR if the Iranian sources now inaccessible become accessible again. I think we can WP:AGF that they existed and were accessible when this article was authored. Unfortunately the Wayback Machine does not have snapshots of these Iranian sources. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 10:20, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Iran-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:42, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

• Merge to Brian Haw. His protest was notable; indeed the law had to be changed to put an end to the protest, if I remember correctly. However, that does not make a film about him separately notable. Nevertheless, there may be some content that can usefully be included in the bio-article.

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