Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Aaron Bastani (3rd nomination)

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Most of the sources in this article are primary, unreliable, self-published, affiliated, or some mix of the above. Those which are not, and those I can find via the 120 unique Google hits, are either namechecks or in the context of Novara Media - the GQ listicle doesn't count of course, because listicle. I do not think this person is independently notable. It has already been deleted twice at AfD for this exact reason. Guy (help! - typo?) 09:07, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 09:26, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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• Delete: I have gone through the references given below, and come to the same conclusions as the previous AfD, that we need more material about Aaron Bastani, and not from Bastani (which most of this is). As per nom, delete. --Whiteguru (talk) 12:24, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

1. dead link
2. primary
3. personal,
4. Twitter, WP:UGC applies
5. subscription required, no go
6. mention, has a PhD
7. primary
8. no mention, palgrave mcmillan want you to buy this ebook
9. first secondary reference, reasonable
10. primary
11. primary
12. primary, London Review of Books
13. primary
14. interview, primary
15. video not available
16. duplicate
17. primary
18. secondary
19. duplicate again, same duplicate
20. book review, mention
21. book review, registration required
22. GQ - mention
23. podcast, primary
24. twitter, telling someone to f*** off
25. mention
26. mention
27. primary, quote
28. youtube video, primary
29. primary, video
30. primary, article
31. primary
32. twitter
33. GQ, review

• Comment. There is an obvious redirect to Novara Media as an ATD. I haven't had a chance to look through the sources yet, but for a page that gets 3,400+ views per month we should consider the redirect if only as a service to our readers. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 13:30, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
• :{{u|AleatoryPonderings}}, I'm OK with that, but experience indicates that a redirect is likely to be challenged in the absence of unambiguous consensus on independent notability (this is, after all, the third creation). Guy (help! - typo?) 14:25, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
• ::Makes sense. After a look at the sources, I think Bastani is notable; I would take a redirect as a next-best option. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:03, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:NAUTHOR #3. The {{tq|significant or well-known work or collective body of work}} here is Novara Media and Fully Automated Luxury Communism. Novara is notable: {{doi|10.1007/978-3-030-00822-2_8}}, [https://books.google.ca/books?id=G5l7DwAAQBAJ&pg=PA119], [https://theconversation.com/how-left-wing-media-sites-have-changed-their-coverage-of-the-labour-party-under-keir-starmer-142686]. And FALC is notable: [https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/29/fully-automated-luxury-communism-aaron-bastani-review], [https://sydneyreviewofbooks.com/review/zuboff-bastani/], [https://www.themintmagazine.com/fully-automated-luxury-communism-a-manifesto-by-aaron-bastani], [https://www.societyandspace.org/articles/fully-automated-luxury-communism-a-manifesto-by-aaron-bastani], [https://harpers.org/archive/2019/06/fully-automated-luxury-communism-bastani-conscience-churchland-dry-heart-natalia-ginzburg/], [https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/artificial-stupidity/], [https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/fully-automated-luxury-communism-book-review/]. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:03, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
• :{{u|AleatoryPonderings}}, and we have an article on that, and all coverage is in the context of that, which is why we deleted this twice before. As far as I can tell, it remains the case. Guy (help! - typo?) 16:31, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
• :: {{ping|JzG}} We don't have an article on Fully Automated Luxury Communism. We have a redirect to Post-scarcity economy: {{no redirect|Fully automated luxury communism}}. And AFAIK there's nothing to preclude having articles both on books/journalistic works and the author thereof, if both are notable. As a side note I might write an article on FALC (the book, not the concept) if I have time, but it appears that Bastani is notable based on Novara and FALC, per my thoughts above. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
• :::{{u|AleatoryPonderings}}, but when there are no significant biographical sources, we can't have a biography, per WP:BLP Guy (help! - typo?) 17:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
• ::::You're right, and per the above there's not good sourcing for a BLP. I guess weak delete then, as I probably will get around to writing Fully Automated Luxury Communism at some point and in that case the redirect target would be unclear. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 17:09, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

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