Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Academy of Shotokan Karate (2nd nomination)

:{{la|Academy of Shotokan Karate}} ([{{fullurl:Academy of Shotokan Karate|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Academy of Shotokan Karate)}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

AfD last year was a no consensus. The academy fails WP:MANOTE and WP:ORG. Lists 3 references. The first is a bio of the founder, not a piece about the org. The second is offline. I'll presume it was about the org. The third is a link to the bio of an instructor on his schools site, saying he approves of the org. In short, fails the notability requirements I cited above. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Not the place to advertise his dojo. Fuzbaby (talk) 02:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete borderline spam, don't see the notability. - 2 ... says you, says me 02:31, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 03:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 03:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• RedirectDelete to Dave Hazard nn small org.. JJL (talk) 03:32, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• Keep The organisation is relatively small because its founder Dave Hazard, a highly respected karateka, insists on highest standards in member clubs. This should not make it less notable than large low quality outfits. Why is a smaller organisation's page spam any more than a large organisation's, or a commercial company or radio station article for that matter. Keep them all or delete them all, but don't discriminate against small jewels in a sea of mediocrity.--Ninja Shewolf (talk) 09:05, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• I'll happily withdraw the AfD if you can show me third party WP:RS that meet WP:MANOTE. Niteshift36 (talk) 09:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• Niteshift, do you accept [http://www.theshotokanway.com/davehazardprofile.html] as RS about Dave Hazard? jmcw (talk) 17:16, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• Or [http://www.shotokanmag.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=63&category_id=2&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1]? jmcw (talk) 17:23, 21 June 2009 (UTC)
• Let me try to clear this up. The article on Hazard is not nominated for deletion. Nobody is disputing his notability. This is an article about the school. For a seperate article, the school needs seperate notability. Mere mentions that the school exists are not notable, even in the most reliable sources. I can find plenty of things that say Hazard is notable, but I am not finding anything that demonstrates the notability of the school that merits a seperate article. But his notability doesn't transfer. Just like having a notable musician join a band doesn't make their albumns notable enough for an article. The albumn has to stand on its own. I wouldn't oppose a re-direct to the article on Hazard and merging the info about the school into his article. But as it stands I don't believe THIS article meets the notability requirements. I hope that makes it more clear. Niteshift36 (talk) 23:44, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

:*Comment well, why not simply rd to his page, then, and avoid this whole discussion? That would have been a much more useful thing for everyone concerned. Feel free to WP:BEBOLD and redirect things. If someone undoes the rd, then take it to AfD/RfD. JJL (talk) 23:48, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

• I don't see it as a waste of time. I think the article should be deleted or I wouldn't have nominated it. I just said I wouldn't oppose a redirect. When did showing a willingness to compromise become a waste of time? I favor deletion over redirect because I don't see this as being a likely search term and I don't see the piece as notable. Niteshift36 (talk) 00:09, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
• Comment I have merged the the information of Academy of Shotokan Karate into the Dave_Hazard#Founding the Academy of Shotokan Karate section. jmcw (talk) 10:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

:*Comment thanks! If the nom. is willing to withdraw, we could rd and close. JJL (talk) 13:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

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