Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adrian Ramsay

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Non-notable politician. Being a municipal in England a failed parliamentary candidate and the deputy leader of the Green Party of England and Wales does not amount to being notable. The activities and offices held on their own are not notable and collectively are not notable. Sport and politics (talk) 10:04, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Keep. Being deputy leader of a prominent and parliamentary party, even if not an MP himself, is notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Necrothesp (talk) 11:56, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

• Comment -The holding of this post of Deputy Leader does not make the subject notable. They have to have wider notability established by reliable third party sources. Simply holding one post in a small political party is not enough to make an individual notable (yes the Green Party are a small party, one MP two MEPs and a few councillors here and there, does not make them a medium or big party like UKIP, the Liberal Democrats, the Conservatives or Labour, etc.). In the same way hold municipal elected office in England does not make an individual notable. The post itself can be notable by its history, or high profile office holders, etc. in the same way the office of leader of a Municipal Council is potentially notable as an office. That though does not qualify the holders of that office for notability or inclusion in Wikiepida. There is also no reasoning as to how that post makes the individual holders notable, there is simply use of: it is just because it is, to justify inclusion on Wikipedia which is absurd. Sport and politics (talk) 14:11, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• I'm afraid I completely disagree. Very few British political parties have any MPs or MEPs. In my opinion, the leaders and deputy leaders of those that do are inherently notable. That, also in my opinion, is common sense, and there is nothing absurd about common sense. What is, however, absurd is to prefer dogma ("nothing in Wikipedia specifically says they are notable so they can't be notable") over common sense. Remember WP:BURO? -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:32, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• Comment - I am almost certain you and I Necrothesp have no common ground and will never reach a compromise on this issue. I see this individual as clearly failing under WP:DISCRIMINATE and WP:NOTABLE per WP:POLITICIAN. This individual is not inherently notable just for holding the office of Deputy Leader of the Green Party. The individual notability of this subject must clearly be demonstrated or here will be an endless stream of indiscriminate article creation for the leader and deputy leader of every political party in the UK who has ever had an MP is the deputy leader or Chairman etc. of the Independent Community and Health Concern Party notable. I think not even though that party had an MP in Richard Taylor. Sport and politics (talk) 18:09, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• Keep -- Being deputy leader of a party represetned in the UK and Euro Parliaments, even though a member of neither certainly makes him notable. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:44, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
• Delete Lost in his run for parlianment. He is not notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:00, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
• Keep - former deputy leader of a significant national party (has an MP, two MEPs, runs a council, etc). Article could do with stronger sourcing, but there's already one reference providing good evidence of notability and there's plenty more out there. Warofdreams talk 00:29, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
• Comment WP:POLOUTCOMES suggests that "Leaders of registered political parties at the national or major sub-national (state, province, prefecture, etc.) level are usually considered notable regardless of that party's degree of electoral success" are usually kept. I am unsure here whether the Deputy Leader should be considered "a leader" or "the leader" of the Green Party in this context (Principal Speakers were the leader of the GPEW [before its restructure] and the Deputy leader functions [then and now] more like a co-chair). In a comparable fashion, Sharon Day, the current co-Chair of the Republican National Committee in the United States does not have her own Wikipedia page (although I think she does have significant media and third party coverage). Enos733 (talk) 05:21, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

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