Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adrianos Sotiris

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:ARTIST. I'm unable to find significant coverage in reliable, third-party published sources. There are plenty of primary sources to the artist's social media and online profiles, like the [https://www.saatchiart.com/account/profile/162089 Saatchi Art] profile currently linked in the article. But third-party coverage is minimal and trivial. There's [https://www.thegreekfoundation.com/art/the-illusionary-paintings-of-adrianos-sotiris The Greek Foundation], also linked in the article, but at 3 paragraphs it's rather trivial. For a BLP, we really need more substantial coverage from reliable sources. Woodroar (talk) 15:41, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

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• Delete WP:GNG andWP:NARTIST fail. A search returns no reviews, no evidence of exhibitions and no collections. All I see are multiple blogspot.com pages talking about his work. Possibly (talk) 16:01, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
• Delete all I'm seeing for coverage is blogs. Fails WP:GNG. Curiocurio (talk) 16:29, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
• Keep The absence of sources in this case is a relative problem, partly due to the prominence of Latin script (or the negligence of Greek sources, for that matter). There are several sources in Greek about Sortiris: [https://www.polismagazino.gr/%CE%B1%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%8C%CF%82-%CF%83%CF%89%CF%84%CE%AE%CF%81%CE%B7%CF%82-%CF%84%CE%BF-%CF%84%CE%B1%CE%BB%CE%AD%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%BF-%CE%B5%CE%AF%CE%BD%CE%B1%CE%B9-%CF%84%CE%BF/ Polis Magazine], [https://artviews.gr/%CE%B1%CE%B4%CF%81%CE%B9%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%8C%CF%82-%CF%83%CF%89%CF%84%CE%AE%CF%81%CE%B7%CF%82-%CF%83%CF%84%CE%B7-%CE%BD%CE%AD%CE%B1-%CE%BC%CE%BF%CF%85-%CE%B4%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%BB%CE%B5%CE%B9/ Art Views Who is Who], [https://www.culturenow.gr/anthropoy-opseis-omadiki-ekthesi-stin-aithoysa-texnis-e-vati/ Culture Now.gr] -and I could give several more. Are sources in Greek welcome on the page? Vysotsky (talk) 16:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

::Sources in Greek are fine, but they need to be significant and reliable and independent. Two of those sources are interviews, which tend not to count towards notability because they're ultimately primary sources. (There are exceptions, of course, like interviews from high-profile, reputable journalists, where there's significant commentary from the journalist that we can reference. That's not the case here.) And your third source is a two-paragraph puff piece biography about a group exhibition. These types of biographies are typically supplied by the artist, so that would be both trivial coverage and primary. We need in-depth coverage that's actually from the source, not provided by the artist. Woodroar (talk) 17:05, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

::{{re|Vysotsky}} the three sources you gave above are not so good. Polismagazino.gr, the first one, has at the bottom of each page a notice that copyright is held by the Internet marketing company [https://idees-marketing.com/ IdeesMarketing.com] We are increasingly seeing seeing this kind of coverage, where artists, individuals and companies pay for the creation of what looks like actual reporting. Possibly (talk) 19:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

::: Sotiris' work is sold by Saatchi, which might give an indication of his status. Adding the following sources is possibly worthwhile: [https://www.koinignomi.gr/news/politismos/eikastika/2017/08/09/pigi-empneysis-o-anthropos.html Koini Gnomi (Greek daily Cyclades)] and [https://artic.gr/adrianos-sotiris/ Artic]. Vysotsky (talk) 20:30, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

::::These look like more examples of churnalism to me. The first source is a few paragraphs (not significant) which are likely supplied by the artist (primary) in local media (probably not unreliable, but also not very reliable). The second is another interview, on a site that offers its promotion/advertising services right in the footer. Woodroar (talk) 21:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

::::{{re|Vysotsky}} saatchiart.com is the site anyone can sell art on. [https://www.saatchiart.com/account/profile/162089 His page selling works on saatchiart.com] As the banner on their page currently says, "Saatchi Art is open and we're shipping. Now is a wonderful time to support emerging artists around the world." [https://www.saatchiart.com/whysell Here is the page] where any artist can sign up to sell on saatchiart.com. Not the same as the Saatchi Gallery. Possibly (talk) 19:38, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

• Delete In Greek I found only listings and no substantial coverage. As far as the "Greek Foundation" mentioned above, it's a web platform for artists and others to promote their work (many entries are self-presentations), including and overtly advertising of products (example [https://www.thegreekfoundation.com/gastronomy/oh-gold-g-design-studio]); not to be confused with the Hellenic Foundation for Culture. ǁǁǁ ǁ Chalk19 (talk) 15:48, 11 January 2021 (UTC).
• Delete people need to stop claiming sources and start actually finding them. As Chalk19 shows there are not substantial sources, and so we should delete the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:29, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
• Delete, does not meet WP:NARTIST or WP:GNG, no wikisignificant collections or sources found, unable to confirm that Sotiris' painting(s) are held by the National Museum of China (as claimed on [https://www.dlonlinegallery.com/adrianos this website]) which would contribute to wikinotability but more would be needed. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:06, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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