Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmad Al Halabi

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The individual is known only for a a single event which has not been particularly well documented from what I can tell. The coverage that does exist was written because of extreme allegations of which he was not found guilty. The subject of this article has requested its deletion. Users with OTRS access may wish to reference ticket:2013051510002776. ⇌ Jake Wartenberg 09:54, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• Delete Article doesn't even make sense: born 1997, served in the air force from 2000-2005? In any case, looks like it doesn't meet WP:BLP1E or WP:PERP. Andrew Lenahan - Starblind 10:45, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

:*The 1997 date appears to be a typo (1979). • Gene93k (talk) 15:52, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 13:37, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Evano1van(எவனோ ஓருவன்) 13:38, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:49, 15 May 2013 (UTC)

• A couple of points --

: FIrst, the article has undergone some informationectomies, so to the casual reader today, al Halabi might look like a clear instance of a {{tl|blp1e}}, but after spending half an hour looking at the references out there I regard this assertion as very hard to defend.

: As per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jeffrey H. Norwitz , we honor the wishes of the subjects to not be covered on the wikipedia -- when they are genuinely on the cusp of sufficient notability. When an individual well past the margin for notabiity requests a courtesy deletion, we should politely decline. Norwitz's notability was voluntary, but if al-Halabi is notable, it was against his will, so we may feel personal sympathy. Nevertheless if he is truly notable we should not let that personal sympathy influence this decision. Geo Swan (talk) 16:36, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

• WRT blp1e -- Paul Sperry, in Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington wrote that al-Halabi had been "under investigation" prior to being sent to Guantanamo. Of course being "under investigation" falls for short of establishing notability -- all by itself. But almost all of our BLP subjects have their notability established by carefully evaluating multiple factors. Above it is suggested that the one event in al-Halabi's life that established notability was his being accused of being a spy -- at Guantanamo. Well, if he was under investifation to prior to being sent to Guantanamo, isn't that a separate event? Geo Swan (talk) 17:18, 16 May 2013 (UTC)
• {{cite book

| url = http://books.google.ca/books?id=Dw1mHo6zjKwC&pg=PA210&dq=%22Ahmad+Al+Halabi%22+%22air+force%22+OR+%22guantanamo+OR+espionage&hl=en&sa=X&ei=jPmTUeCcA9K2qAHKooGwCg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=%22Ahmad%20Al%20Halabi%22%20%22air%20force%22%20OR%20%22guantanamo%20OR%20espionage&f=false

| title = Infiltration: How Muslim Spies and Subversives have Penetrated Washington

| publisher = Thomas Nelson

| author = Paul Sperry

| date = 2005-03-25

| pages = 210-211

| location =

| isbn = 9781418508425

| accessdate = 2013-05-15

| quote = Remarkably, Halabi had been under investigation for making anti-American statements before he was assigned to the U.S. base in Cuba.

}}

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:04, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

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• Delete person is not notable, these allegations were never substantiated nor proven. Storey involved a rooky agent with sloppy investigation and questionable practices. Article is incomplete and and should be deleted. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.227.40.20 (talk) 11:28, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
• Delete, subject has received coverage in non-primary reliable sources, however the coverage has been primarily focused on the actions which lead to the subject of this AfD being court martialed, and convicted of violating UCMJ and thus the subject falls under WP:PERP which states: {{quote|A person who is known only in connection with a criminal event or trial should not normally be the subject of a separate Wikipedia article if there is an existing article that could incorporate the available encyclopedic material relating to that person.}} As there is no article for the crime, as it is not a "well-documented historic event" and the perpetrator of the crime is not well known I am going to support deletion of this article.--RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 13:40, 28 May 2013 (UTC)

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