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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Airagwani

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:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 17:37, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

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On 20 April 2010, User:Mattgirling created hundreds of stub articles on places in Kenya, based on the unreliable source fallingrain.com. The sources was removed from all these articles the very same day by Xenobot, leaving these stubs completely unsourced. The problem is that some of them are duplicates (same village, different name), which I'll solve with a redirect, and that about 1 in 4 of them is not about a settlement (village, hamlet, town, community), but about farms and ranches. Considering the general lack of notability of these, the lack of any further info in these articles, and the dubious original source of them, I have nominated all these (about 118 articles) for deletion. I have not nominated the 250 or 300 others which are at first glance about real settlements.

These nominations only cover the articles in :Category:Rift Valley Province, Kenya geography stubs, the stubs from other provinces will have to wait for another AfD. Fram (talk) 12:57, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Also nominated (will add the template soon):

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  • Delete all Just checked at least 5 of these on google maps and they are duds. If a settlement cannot be seen then we should not have an article on it. [http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=-2.15,37&spn=0.1,0.1&t=h&q=-2.15,37 Random satellite view], Middle of nowhere...♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete all - wow - what strange being put this lot together - none of the sites qualifies as notable. MarkDask 15:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Delete all. After I created these from a database, User:Dr. Blofeld notified me of the lack of reliability of the source – had I known about this (we were both surprised that Falling Rain wasn't blacklisted), I wouldn't have added the articles. With the help of User:Xeno and User:Xenobot the refs were stripped, leaving many articles unreferenced. The above list (which I've "hidden" away) is no different to a gazetteer. matt (talk) 17:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kenya-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 02:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

  • I have done research. Although these articles lack references, number of them are notable enough. Many of nominated articles are about farms or ranches, not notable as such, but some of them have respective villages (large farms in Kenya may have hundreds or even thousands of workers, there have to be settlements for them). Some ranches have been turned into private conservancies, which are becoming increasingly popular tourist destinations in Kenya.

Coordinates given on each article may be highly inaccurate, so using Google Earth/Maps to determine whether there is a settlement or not does not make much sense.

I will add references to these articles as soon as I have time

Keep:

  • Ol Ari Nyiro Ranch - the book and movie I Dreamed of Africa are set here.
  • Oserian - not a settlement, but a major flower-farm company (that's a major export industry in Kenya). Also notable is the football club of the same name (and owned by the company)
  • Chololo - A ranch. Some Zoological importance, baboon studies have been carried out there for decades

Weak keep:

These appear to be real villages and therefore I suggest we keep them:

Redirect:

Delete all the rest

Julius Sahara (talk) 18:06, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

::Thanks, but where is the evidence that those are villages and not farms or ranches? E.g. Arroi is clearly a ranch[http://www.geonames.org/200858/arroi.html]. Similarly, I couldn't find any evidence for By-Gum or Chepitet being a village. Fram (talk) 07:13, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

:::I figured out that Arroi is an administrative entity known as location. I'd say administrative status justifies its inclusion in Wikipedia. By-Gum and Chepitet (and Arroi too) have primary schools, which quite much proves there is a respective village. Julius Sahara (talk) 20:00, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

::::Any reliable sources for this? Fram (talk) 20:01, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::I already updated some of those articles and used government websites as sources Julius Sahara (talk)

::::::Two of the three don't work for me, and the third (about Chepitet) is hardly sufficient in my view, but opinions may of course vary on that. Fram (talk) 09:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

:Checked another you suggest to keep and rename. Marmar is at 0.78N, 36.75E. Suguta Marmar is at 0.49N, 36.40E. A different name and location, isn't that just a different article instead of a keep? Lairagwan, which you also want to keep, is a farm with a farm school. Does that make something a settlement and/or notable? Kimugandura, is just a farm, all sources refer to it as a farm, not a school or settlement. It is not notable at all[http://www.google.com/#q=kimugandura&hl=en&prmd=ivns&ei=I4QRTvifNoGdOquhlZgP&start=90&sa=N&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=601a2b38c4510361&biw=1600&bih=741][http://www.google.com/#q=kimugandura&hl=en&prmd=ivns&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbm=bks&source=og&sa=N&tab=wp&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=a333f15c91f3cd64&biw=1600&bih=741].

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.