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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Al najah secondary school

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Closing this early, because the article has been rewritten so that the earlier votes do not apply any longer. Per Cunard's comment, I am deleting the earlier history of the article. NW (Talk) 15:47, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

=[[Al-Najah Secondary School]]=

:{{la|Al-Najah Secondary School}} – (View AfD)(View log)

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Personal essay, unsourced original research. JNW (talk) 23:36, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

:::it helps to say why. DGG ( talk ) 01:04, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

  • Delete & rewrite The problem is that an article could be written about the subject, since all HS are notable. Unfortunately, the present article is not really useful as a start. Rather than rewrite it as is , i think it should be deleted, possibly by speedy G10 , to remove the unsuitable material from the edit history before re-starting. DGG ( talk ) 01:04, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
  • What DGG said. Go out and buy your lotto tickets now, because DGG and I agree on this. JBsupreme (talk) 15:43, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete per all of the above; it is an unsourced essay and soapbox. Bearian (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Delete - I also agree with DGG here, but I think deletion is appropriate if there is no improvements. The article has no indication of notability and I don't see sources beign added. Even if they were, the article would require a fundamental rewrite. Essays are not what I want in an encyclopedia, AfD is about the article, not the article's name. The page can be recreated if there is notable content; and my !vote (the ! makes all the difference) changes if there is notable content and the personal essay content goes away. Shadowjams (talk) 05:27, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep, but purge page history per my rewrite. This secondary school's existence is confirmed by [http://books.google.com/books?id=5grZlB5SLQoC&pg=PA52&dq=%22Al+najah+secondary+school%22&ei=oiztSueFG4uWlQTSpb2lDA#v=onepage&q=%22Al%20najah%20secondary%20school%22&f=false this Google Books link]. Per {{user|DGG}}'s comment above, the content that existed prior to my rewrite should be purged from the page history because it contained attacks on the principal of the school. Cunard (talk) 07:06, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —Cunard (talk) 07:07, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. —Cunard (talk) 07:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Comment. I'm confused. The article indicates the school is in Israel. The political party mentioned in the article is in Morrocco, it would appear from the link. And the article is listed as a Pakistan stub, and included in the categories "Girls' schools in Pakistan" and "Pakistani school stubs".--Epeefleche (talk) 07:30, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:*Thank you for pointing out the mistakes. The school is located in Palestine. I have corrected the stub tag and category link. The correct political party is Independence Party (Palestine), instead of Istiqlal Party. Cunard (talk) 07:59, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::*Thanks!--Epeefleche (talk) 08:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::*Oops ... more questions. The article about the party is written in the past tense, and speaks of a party that "was" which has its origins in the 1930s. Can't tell when it ended. I'm not sure how that accords with this article, which appears present-day. Is that the correct party? Does it still exist, and is the article on the party wrong?--Epeefleche (talk) 08:38, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::::*My guess is that Independence Party (Palestine) has likely been disbanded. The article for the party states that the party's "origins lay in the Istiqlal movement associated with the short-lived Sharifian government in Damascus". The Independence Party was likely discontinued at the end of the Sharifian government. I have little knowledge about this subject, so I could be wrong.

The school article currently says "[a] number of leaders from the Istiqlal Party have taught at the school." This is the correct tense because "have taught" indicates that the individuals used to teach at the school. It does not indicate whether or not the party still exists, so the same tense would be used even if the party was not disbanded. Cunard (talk) 09:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::*I did a bit of poking around, and found an article that indicates that the party "disintegrated within two years of its founding." That would be 1934. But I guess that's its claim to fame.--Epeefleche (talk) 09:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::*One of the teachers, Izzat Darwaza, lived from 1888-1984, so it's possible that he taught at this school in 1932 or 1933. I can't find any English sources that say when this school started but there could be non-English sources somewhere. Cunard (talk) 10:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::::*Apparently the school came first, then the party -- the book I cite to below indicates that it was in operation by at least 1928, four years before the party was created.--Epeefleche (talk) 10:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

*Keep. Per Cunard/DGG. See also [http://books.google.com/books?id=o4Ju-uaw49UC&pg=PA205&dq=%22Al-Najah+Secondary+School%22+-inpublisher:icon&as_brr=0#v=onepage&q=%22Al-Najah%20Secondary%20School%22%20-inpublisher%3Aicon&f=false reference in this book]--Epeefleche (talk) 10:03, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.