Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan Ruddock

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fails WP:N, my google search drums up an interview (not independent), a forum of some kind (not reliable per WP:RS), a few articles related to his death, and an obituary from "The Telegraph"...this doesn't pass the threshold of notability to me Go Phightins! (talk) 03:11, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Response

1) This is a stub- a substantive article with references/citations from multiple sources included < From texts/journals/online interviews etc> is currently being proofed.

2) The obituary from "The Telegraph" relates to another individual with a similar name- suggest your goggle drumming try and see what happens

cheers ;->

NortSide505 (talk) 03:31, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

:Thank you for catching that, I never made the connection that an article saying someone died couldn't have been made 2 years prior...that was dumb of me, it's been a long day. Anyway, that is one less claim to notability, then. Thanks again. Go Phightins! (talk) 03:36, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Several references have now been added, The stub was (ironically) only put up as a placeholder to facilitate the loading of one of the relevant pictures. Please bear with me as I'm a WK noob. Fully appreciate that verifable sources are required etc but I was doing the background checks on same before committing the 'full' article (which is much longer & provides in-depth citations etc).NortSide505 (talk) 04:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

• Keep It looks ok to me now. There is enough content for a meaningful stub and the references, while not ideal, seem sufficient. LeSnail (talk) 05:03, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:58, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

To clarify a few points:

• This article concerns a *deceased* person.
• One of the primary sources for the additional references is a book, copy of which has been ordered but it sounds like it will be three weeks before it arrives.
• In terms of notability, please google - this individual was widely known in martial arts.
• I'm new to WP, please allow a little extra time for proofing of the full article, many thanks.

NortSide505 (talk) 17:14, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Two additional sections were added earlier. Further content will be added within next week. Written permission is being gathered for some additional photos which may take some extra time.NortSide505 (talk) 20:23, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 07:36, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

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• Keep the search for "Alan Ruddock aikido" gives enough to establish notability, together with his role in establishing Judo in Ireland and his two books. Arjayay (talk) 18:27, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
• Weak Keep I'm having problems finding what I consider to be independent sources (I can't find an online version of Leyton's book). I would agree he's notable if he really was the person to introduce both karate and aikido to Ireland, I just wish I saw more independent evidence of that. Papaursa (talk) 23:21, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks for feedback, multiple sources for Laytons book can be found by searching "Layton, Clive (2006). Shotokan Dawn Over Ireland: A Selected, Early History of Shotokan Karate in Eire: 1960-1964. AIKI PATHWAYS"- don't think it's "online" given fact it (seems) to be currently out of print- but notably please check pdf link from [http://www.cyberbudo.com/cyberbudo/publications.php here]

The "core" element of this "Alan Ruddock" entry( with accompanying references from two independently published third party interviews,two book citations, multiple online collabrating links & considerable pictorial evidence (it's been a big task to round up the permission 'sign-offs') is almost complete but I can't put it up until I have a paper copy of Ruddocks "Memoirs" book in hand.

Apart from introducing both Aikido & Karate to Ireland, Ruddock is notable by virtue of being one of the few westerners & only Irish national to have be a direct student of the Aikido founder, please appreciate that it's tough to round up verifiable independent evidence as although there are a large number of online references ( eg see [http://shinjido.com/blog/?p=608 here], one of a large number of similar accounts if you know where to look)..many are web forum style sources. But I'm fairly certain that once the entire list of citations is posted ( as per above) , this should more than easily pass both the "notability" & "evidence" criteria essential for WikiP entries.

Nearly there- please bear with me!NortSide505 (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

The rest of article has now been loaded.. as per above, in addition to two texts & two interviews there are several pictures incorporated & multiple other references to provide the 'evidence' requested. This has been an interesting learning experience which will hlep guide my further WP entries;

> Can this 'proposed deletion' discussion please be shut down now so that tag can be removed? NortSide505 (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Yup, nomination withdrawn per the outpouring of additional content, references, verifiable information, and expansion added by several editors. Thanks--Go Phightins! (talk) 00:45, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

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