Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alan Stafford

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A BLP that lacks reliable sources that discuss the subject directly and in detail, thus falling under WP:WHYN. The award listed is not significant & well known. Many articles created by the same user have been deleted in the past; pls see multiple notices at the User talk:Epbr123 page. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:36, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:37, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:38, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 11:56, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

• Comment. Saying that article is probably non notable because editor X created it is a very weak argument. The creator (a former admin) made porn-related articles that met the WP:PORNBIO guideline as it was understood at the time. In this case, the subject won an individual category of the AVN Award. Until recently, that was considered a pass for PORNBIO. Question to the community: how many cuts to the "well-known award" definition will it take before the guideline becomes useless? • Gene93k (talk) 13:51, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

::*{{ping|Gene93k}} What I've observed from participating in pornography related discussion is that there is a big disconnect between the SNG (for presumed notability) and the ability to create an article on a subject that has a technical SNG pass. I believe this to be a failure of the SNG.

:::I've observed very similar situation with WP:SOLDIER (which is an essay, but otherwise has a similar purpose) when it comes down to certain awards. Ironically, the notability of German Knight's Cross holders was being discussed at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people) at the same time as the proposed change to PORNBIO (I think that's how I got into the pornography-related deletion discussions).

:::The indiscriminate application of SOLDIER to KC winners has resulted in articles that are often built on unreliable sources (some of which may be neo-Nazi): [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Paul-Albert_Kausch&oldid=696266423 sample]. Other types of articles contain an exhaustive list of awards and say nothing else about the subject, resulting in permanent micro-stubs / WP:MEMORIAL articles: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Johannes_K%C3%BCmmel&oldid=699945015 sample]. Both types include a tricked-out infobox and often a glamour shot.

:::The end of the discussion (in 11 parts and after two or three dozen AfDs) was the consensus to redirect them to alphabetical list. So in short, I see a lot of similarities between porn actor and KC winner articles :-) . Perhaps a similar critical look needs to be taken at PORNBIO. K.e.coffman (talk) 03:28, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

• Delete non-notable pornographic performer.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:36, 24 November 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:02, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

• Keep - NOTE: I have recently edited the article under consideration here, and I'm sure that it can be expanded further in the future. The subject here "has won a well-known and significant industry award", namely the AVN Award for "Best Male Newcomer". All of the sources currently used in this article are reliable for what they are trying to cite and are independent of the actual subject of this article (Alan Stafford).

:As for "Epbr123", they [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Epbr123 have not edited Wikipedia actively for a number of years now], so they obviously aren't around to try & defend their own work anymore. The fact that there are still plenty of Wikipedia editors that just don't like the subject matter in these kind of articles & are unfortunately very willing to edit Wikipedia with that slanted-POV doesn't really mean anything, nor is it a new concept here at AfD. Guy1890 (talk) 06:13, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

• Delete as no evidence of notability, Fails PORNBIO & GNG. –Davey2010^Talk 15:34, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
• Delete. Just another porn BLP without independent, reliable sourcing and barely a shred of a claim to satisfying the GNG. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo). Treated like dirt by administrators since 2006. (talk) 19:00, 6 December 2016 (UTC)

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