Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Albert Awol

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I don't feel that a character speaking during the queue to people waiting for a ride meets with any degree of notability. That's all this character is. Tyrenon (talk) 04:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. I feel that Albert Awol plays a vital role to the experience on the Jungle Cruise attraction at Magic Kingdom. The entire loop is meant to set up what is about to be experienced on the attraction. He may be a fictional character but it does not make him less important. In addition Albert Awol vocalizes a lot of information and refrences to the attraction itself that is otherwise unmentioned. The article is still under construction, there is much more info to be added. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thedoorsfan71 (talk • contribs) — Thedoorsfan71 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

• Do you have sources? Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 05:14, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
• I would offer a courteous disagreement even if all of the above is true. In that instance, I would suggest that adding information about the character at that attraction's article would be a better place for it. A separate article for a character such as this only makes sense in my mind if there is something else that the character is connected to.Tyrenon (talk) 05:29, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
• Keep. This article will be expanded enough to stand on its own. The character plays a vital role in the park as well. He is a lead character in the setting of Adventureland, establishing a time, place and attitude of the area. Also, Albert Awol will be a character in the Jungle Cruise film.
• agree. Albert Awol is an important character that sets up the style of comedy presents on the ride by the skippers. His announcements tie together all Jungle Cruise show scenes, the boats and show characters. He has become legendary by his humor and witty comments among cast members and hundreds of thousands of guest.As a contributing member of the Wikiproject Disneyland and the wikiproject Walt Disney World, I feel that this article will be expanded and be able to stand alone when completed. Alber Awol is a character vital to more than just the Jungle Cruise.Sfadisneyfreak (talk) 07:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC) — Sfadisneyfreak (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. -- TexasAndroid (talk) 11:53, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
• Having been on the version in Florida, I'm pretty sure that this could be rolled into the main article. The character is something akin to a minor character in a movie, if you will: Prominent enough to bear mention in the article, but not enough so as to get a full page on their own. As to the film, that seems to be caught in development hell. Stuff related to that will become notable if/when the film does come to pass.Tyrenon (talk) 12:23, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete The article lack independant sourcing and even they dosn't support the claims of the people voting Keep. A minor character with no independant notability that might barely be worh merging, but doesn't even seem likely as a redirect target. Edward321 (talk) 13:59, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
• Many Disney Characters have article outside of their parent article. Take any Disney villain for example, or Tom Morrow 2.0. We have updated the Adventerland article to express the importance of Albert Awol to all of WDW's Adventureland. His broadcast is not limited to The Jungle Cruise, and is heard by an estimate of 55,000 a day. His character is also referenced in the now defunct Adventurers Club on Pleasure Island at Down Town Disney. As the Imagineering tale explains, the Jungle Navigation Co. (Jungle cruise) acquires the artifacts in association and with the Adventurers Club characters. These acquired artifacts are evident in the beginning of the Jungle Cruise queue where many cargo items are tagged for the Adventurers Club, and were also in the defunct bar. The article is not finished, but Albert Awol pertains to much more than just a queue loop.Sfadisneyfreak (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
• In research it has been discovered that a character named Albert Awol introduced Adventureland on the show, Wonderful World of Disney. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfadisneyfreak (talk • contribs) 00:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
• Alright, I've added in a section on Mr. Awol in the main Jungle Cruise article. As to the Adventurers Club, I went there on several occasions (and I have several friends who went there regularly) and never heard of him there. Could we get specific sources for these additional claims?Tyrenon (talk) 00:32, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
• I am contacting some of the actors from the club. From converstions with them, I have understood that Albert Awol is a character in their Operation Guide Script of Operations (OGSOP). Many skippers that I have worked with have brought up Albert in the show, and they will talk about him. Because the club shows consisted of so much improvisation, chances of being there while someone brought up the character is slim. I am also contacting a Skipper who managed to photograph every article in the club, with their descriptions. As I recall, Albert Awol is mentioned on some of the article's plaques. I do know for sure that many of the queue announcements by Skippers involved both Albert and the club characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sfadisneyfreak (talk • contribs) 01:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
• Keep. I do recall Albert Awol on the show. I agree that Albert's broadcast plays a major role in the atmosphere of both Adventurelnads in DL and WDW.Junglenav. (talk) 02:03, 5 June 2009 (UTC) — Junglenav. (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
• I mean I recall it on the Disneyland show.Junglenav. (talk) 02:05, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete - no coverage in reliable sources to establish notability. Existence isn't sufficient justification for an article. -- Whpq (talk) 19:35, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
• Merge. Deletion is overkill, but it's obvious there are insufficient sources to write a full article on the character. There's simply nothing to say about him from an out-of-universe perspective beyond perhaps a paragraph. By all means, include that paragraph in Jungle Cruise and maybe Adventureland, but a full article? Completely unnecessary. And I say this as a card-carrying member of WikiProject Disney, so put away the pitchforks. =) Powers ^T 20:07, 7 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Ridiculous. No notability asserted, no independent coverage. Eusebeus (talk) 20:16, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

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