Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alec Powers (2nd nomination)

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Gay porn performer who fails both WP:GNG and WP:PORNBIO. An earlier article was recently deleted at AfD on the same grounds. Note that the awards alluded to in the article are for the individual films not for this performer. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 16:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:45, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. -- Ash (talk) 16:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. -- Ash (talk) 16:50, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
• Keep He meets the ARTIST notability requirements, point 3 and in addition 4(c). PORNBIO has become a mantra for purging Wikipedia of gay porn actors regardless of the size of their contribution to the field or this fact being supported by reliable sources. Not in question is that he has had top billing in several award-winning films and has a significant body of work ("work" as defined by performing in over 50 films), this nomination relies on nobody yet finding a specific well-known pornography award specifically won in his name as opposed to being for the films he has been a lead performer in. As stated on the talk page before this article was renominated, This is a new article, not based on the previous version deleted over six months ago, and quite different in terms of sourcing (see [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMazca&action=historysubmit&diff=341524497&oldid=340803911 comment] on the new version by previously deleting admin). He is a notable model and porn star due to his significant body of work, consequently meeting WP:ARTIST. Though the awards included are for films, these are films where he has starred as a lead character and these are internationally recognized awards (Revenge of the Bi Dolls, for example); making his body of work significant. He has featured as an adult model and cover model for many gay erotic magazines (most examples from the 1990's will be lost due to a lack of archives, however some references have been included). He became one of the earliest stars in the specialist genre of erotic wrestling. If a film actor in almost any other genre was credited with over 50 films, a number being award-winning, and with this level of reliable sourcing, there would be absolutely no question about the validity of a BLP. Ash (talk) 17:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
• Delete - per nominator and rationale of first nomination. I feel, whether it be straight porn or gay porn, that PORNBIO criteria 1 applies to subjects who directly wins an award rather than appearing in films that wins an award. What I am surprised is that the subject has not been nominated for awards in different years or are archives of nominations for awards not easily found? Morbidthoughts (talk) 17:16, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
• Records about pornography in the 1990s before pornography producers relied on the internet are elusive or incomplete. In particular there is no consistent archive of gay erotic magazines of the period, so contemporary reviews and interviews are scarce. As the article stands, I agree that it fails PORNBIO, in recreating the article my rationale for notability is the more generic ARTIST. It is likely that further research may find suitable references that fits the PORNBIO criteria. If judging Powers as entirely non-notable seems marginal, then we should defer to the guidance of ATD and mark the article for improvement, particularly as nobody is suggesting that this article represents a blatant BLP violation (his official website backs up any biographical information in line with WP:SPS). Ash (talk) 17:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:PORNBIO. Epbr123 (talk) 18:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Delete per nom. Alan - talk 21:49, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

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