Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alexis Blue (3rd nomination)

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SERIOUSLY!!! This **** of an article has existed for as long as it has???!!! This former "band" not only fails WP:NBAND, it EPICALLY fails NBAND. Not sure how any AfD could possibly have come to keep, yet evidently AfD #2 did keep after article was previously deleted at the first AfD and then almost immediately recreated. This is as strong a delete as I could possibly ever call for. Just gotta love the content under the 2010 section header, "the band posted an announcement to their website." :) Safiel (talk) 04:03, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

• Delete Per nom. A farcical abomination, for sure. Still not notable and failing WP:NBAND, as pointed out below by Safiel. --The Theosophist (talk) 04:06, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• Comment. Sometimes a look at article history can be helpful. The article that was kept in January 2009 was much longer than the way it is now, and it actually had some sources. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexis_Blue&oldid=261695854] It looks like the article was subjected to unconstructive deletions in 2014, and no one was around to fix it. That is not to say that the band is obviously notable, just that the current version isn't the one that we should be looking at. --Arxiloxos (talk) 04:32, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• Comment. Per Arxiloxos, I've restored all the content from before the unconstructive deletions began in February 2014. This way, the article can be evaluated on its own merits rather than on what it was like after most of the content and sources were stripped out. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 05:23, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  06:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions.  ^B E _C K ^Y _S A ^{Y L} E _S  06:34, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

• Comment I have gone through the reconstituted article and the links, at least the ones that still work. The band clearly fails all aspects of WP:NBAND from #2 to the end. The only chance for this band to pass through would be to satisfy point #1 of NBAND, which is multiple, non-trivial coverage in qualifying reliable sources. I believe that it clearly fails. Most of these links are trivial listings or mentions of "gigs" and several of the links are not reliable sources. I see nothing which would cause this band to satisfy WP:NBAND. Thus I will stick with my original delete position, though I will tone down my rhetoric from the nomination a bit. Safiel (talk) 06:37, 14 January 2015 (UTC)
• A mildly reluctant weak deleteNeutral (see below). HighBeam Research includes a couple of Liverpool papers, and this band's name turns up in some concert listings from 2007-2010, but nothing more substantial in those sources.[http://www.highbeam.com/Search?searchTerm=%22alexis+blue%22+liverpool] Google searches turned up a ton of blogs and listings like [http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/whats-on/music/alexis-blue-3485367 this], making it hard to be sure if there's something more substantial buried in the dross. There's a substantial interview [http://www.thevpme.com/2008/02/27/good-vibrations-alexis-blue-interview/] in a source called the Von Pip Musical Express (VPME), a bloggy site that may or may not be an RS (it shows up as a source in other Wikipedia articles and has been profiled in The Guardian [http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2012/jun/18/blog-jam-von-pip-musical-express], so maybe the author qualifies as some kind of expert in the area). In the last Afd, {{U|Paul Erik}} turned up a surprising bit of praise for this band in The Charleston Gazette--that's Charleston, West Virginia, and while the comment itself is just one sentence, the existence of something like this in an American daily newspaper does suggest that the band had wider notability than you'd expect from a run of the mill Scouse pub band. (The Gazette article is included in the HighBeam database, although for some reason it didn't come up in my HighBeam searches of the band's name. [http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-15039997.html]) Overall it seems that we have local Merseyside band that had a run of local popularity and kept threatening to get bigger, but didn't. If someone else can turn up another decent substantial source or two, I'd reconsider.--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:27, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

:The quote from the mentioned The Charleston Gazette article (in a "Top songs" subsection)

::"5. "You Won't Get Much Sleep," Alexis Blue: This is a great, catchy indie pop track that pulls inspiration from other English bands like the Coral."

:The writer of the article is Sarah Nason from George Washington High School.

:Also available is a hometown piece. {{Citation | last = Cureton | first = Stephanie | author-link = | date = 26 September 2010 | title = Farewell gig for Wirral rockers Alexis Blue later this week | periodical = Wirral Globe }}

:Most relevant quote may be

::"Alexis Blue formed in 2005 while attending Mosslands School and quickly built up a strong fanbase thanks to their catchy numbers and regular appearances around Wirral and Liverpool."

:Looks like they had some local popularity but never got bigger. duffbeerforme (talk) 03:30, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

• Keep after looking through the sources the band appears to have "lost" some notability after their disbandment however since notability cannot be lost the prior AfD has some resonance. I was able to find this [http://www.clickliverpool.com/clocked/liverpool-music/128724-interview-local-band-the-envy-chat-to-click-liverpool.html source] and noticed it has other sources in its heyday that are not readily available due to overshadowing by a separate artist Alexi Blue. The band appears to pass WP:band on 5, 7, and 12. The band has released at least two albums [http://www.music-news.com/shownews.asp?H=Alexis-Blue-release-debut-album&nItemID=22939 hypothetical situations] and a second album (Sir Ian)^3. The band had a prominent local following, and appeared on the television show Road to V Finals. Since our BLP and band notability requirements are heavily based on self promotion this would not apply due to their disbandment. Per prior AfD. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 21:53, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

:*Just releasing albums is not enough to pass WP:BAND, no indication any releases are on an important label. Whilst they had a local following there is no indication it's prominent, let alone "the most prominent of the local scene of a city". especially as Wirral is not a city. Appearing on a tv show does not satisfy WP:MUSIC#12. A thoroughly disingenuous !vote? duffbeerforme (talk) 16:36, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

:::As stated on your AfD of Moxie Raia, such personal attacks are uncalled for we can disagree on subjects on Wikipedia. I've made my rational clearly and it is far from being disingenuous. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 03:45, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

• Comment. An unusually high percentage of the citations in this article are dead links. That doesn't mean they are invalid sources, because the articles they are citing could have been taken down in the last six years or so, but it would be nice if the supporters of this article could do something about all the dead link citations. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:09, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
• Delete, "indie guitar rock coupled with lyrics" you say? No evidence this even comes close to meeting WP:MUSIC; while they might have had a few local fans and been a nice group of people, they clearly don't have the coverage needed to show notability. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 12:55, 22 January 2015 (UTC).

:::Comment I have found some additional sources, [http://www.skiddle.com/whats-on/Liverpool/World-Wide-Release/Wirral-Indie-Pop-Band-Alexis-Blue-Release-Debut-Album/11260445/], [http://www.unsigned.com/alexisblue], [http://www.wirralnews.co.uk/whats-on/whats-on-news/wirral-band-alexis-blue-set-6583169], [http://www.last.fm/music/Alexis+Blue/%28Sir+Ian%29%C2%B3 second album] and an interview [http://www.thevpme.com/2008/02/27/good-vibrations-alexis-blue-interview/ here]. Lankiveil can you please clarify how this does not pass WP:MUSIC? It appears to pass 5, 7, and 12 of WP:BAND. Per WP:NTEMP is band should remain notable even if many links are dead now due to their disbandment. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 02:41, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

::::Appreciation is due for {{U|Valoem}}'s heroic efforts on behalf of this band. Regarding the new sources: the Skiddle writeup looks a lot like PR, although the reference to a Channel 4 broadcast has some interest. The Unsigned.com page isn't a sign of notability in itself, but the quotes from reviews in 3 countries, like the West Virginia newspaper above, could be suggestive of something a little bigger than a local pub band. The Wirrall News item does verify the existence of the album, but doesn't do much to get past "local popularity". I had already mentioned the last one, the VPME interview, in my comment above. I am still not convinced that this band surpasses the AfD threshhold usually applied to indie bands, but I wouldn't be bothered if this article were kept, and (if only for symbolic reasons) I've switched my !vote to "neutral".--Arxiloxos (talk) 03:27, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

:::::Indeed, as an indie music fan myself I try to keep these bands whenever I think there is a sniff of notability, but I'm not seeing it here. Specifically, they don't meet #5 of WP:BAND as none of their music has been released on a major label or important indie label as far as I can tell. #7 doesn't apply because there is no reliable sources that describe them as such, and with respect to the Wallasey scene, it's not a large or important one. For #12, I presume you refer to their appearance on "Road to V", but they did not win the competition, nor were they the "featured subject", so that doesn't apply either. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 07:27, 24 January 2015 (UTC).

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