Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Algeria–Ukraine relations

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Contested prod. Fails WP:N due to lack of sources establishing notability. Biruitorul ^Talk 07:28, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

• Delete per nom; all that this article establishes is that the two states have relations, and not how that's notable, a point that can be handled at both Foreign relations of Algeria and Foreign relations of Ukraine. Synchronism (talk) 08:39, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

:*Keep, Vmenkov has established notability, in a verifiable way with his recent expansion. If only better sources had been brought to the existing article, I would be changing my vote to mergeSynchronism (talk) 14:16, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Fails notability and Wikipedia is not a directory. Better to mention foreign relations in the article about each country than to have an article about each "relationship" they have with one of the other 203 sovereign countries, since such bilateral article could total 20,000 or so for all pairs of countries. Edison (talk) 20:14, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete: Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations has some well thought out advice (see Wikipedia:WikiProject International relations#Bilateral relations) for when bilateral relations between two nations are notable. This article does not even assert to meet any of them. Locke9k (talk) 21:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Non-notable, not likely to be found so. This article borders on being a mere dictionary entry. --BlueSquadronRaven 16:19, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

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• Keep How soon did the other nations of the world recognize Ukraine's independence? And how many embassies do these countries have in other nations? They both clearly thought each other worthy of attention. An article about their relationship with each other, seems valid enough. Dream Focus 03:14, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

:We need multiple, independent, non-trivial sources, not speculation. - Biruitorul ^Talk 06:23, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

• Delete since i find no reliable sources that discuss this relationship let along multiple ones that pass the level of trivia.Bali ultimate (talk) 14:38, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
• Delete as non-notable intersection of countries. Nothing more to state than the location of embassies, which is a violation of WP:NOTDIR. Stifle (talk) 13:43, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
• Keep Generally, I don't think it makes sense to create a "bilateral relations" article unless the creator feels like including some non-trivial material into it (beyond merely the existence of embassies etc). But in this case there seems to be plenty of online sources, at least in Russian, (And maybe in Ukrainian and Arabic too). Basically, the USSR was one of Algeria's major suppliers of weapons, aircraft, etc, and Ukraine, who inherited a large chunk of the USSR's military-industrial complex, wants to keep the good trade going. I've added a few random facts to the article, even though I don't really care much for the subject. Vmenkov (talk) 07:33, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

: And in English too (added a couple)... Vmenkov (talk) 12:16, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

• Keep. Vmenkov has established clear notability. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:35, 8 May 2009 (UTC)
• Weak keep. there is evidence of Ukraine and Algeria signing a number of bilateral agreements [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=algeria+ukraine+agreement&num=10&hl=en] which means there is a degree of notability in the two nations talking on different issues. LibStar (talk) 07:15, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

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