Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alicia Endemann

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. This was a careful balancing act - if she was indeed more notable than just German titleholder, then this could likely remain. However, those additional aspects of notability are unsourced, and I cannot even find any offline resources to confirm. As such, this is also a poorly-sourced WP:BLP in addition to the WP:TOOSOON and non-WP:GNG aspects. (✉→BWilkins←✎) 13:47, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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Fails WP:ANYBIO needs to win Miss Universe - WP:TOOSOON MJH (talk) 00:17, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Keep As I stated with Jacques Christela. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 23:40, 8 December 2012 (UTC)
Delete per WP:ONEEVENT, as with other Miss Universe contestant articles without notability elsewhere. Sang'gre Habagat (talk) 13:10, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
Keep - winning a national major beauty title and representing her nation in a prestigeous beauty pageant trumps ONEEVENT.--BabbaQ (talk) 20:34, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Delete per Sang'gre Habagat above. --Sue Rangell ✍ ✉ 02:39, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fashion-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 03:21, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

:Comment. Is this the same Alicia Endemann who is also a singer and (apparently very minor) actress who apparently was in something called House of Anubis? I was gonna say delete, but if this is the same person, these collective reasons (which individually probably aren't enough to make her notable, but together, add up) may offer some justification for a small article summarising her career. If this is just a pretty girl with the same name, then delete the article and do so for all beauty pageant contestant articles where the only justification is that they competed in a pageant and there are no other sources to indicate notability. Mabalu (talk) 10:41, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

:: Follow-up comment Rather than taking my above comment as a delete vote, I would like to clarify that if she does not have accumulated notability (i.e. she is not the same Alicia Endemann as the singer/actress), it should be a redirect to Miss Universe Germany Mabalu (talk) 12:56, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Keep as per FreeRangeFrog's statement on Alexia Viruez AFD. If there is precedent, that's good enough for me. Mabalu (talk) 20:05, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

:Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 04:11, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Keep as per every other recent beauty contestant AfD... she won a national beauty title and competed in Miss Universe, which is 2 events, not one, for starters. Lukeno94 (talk) 16:37, 16 December 2012 (UTC)
Delete. WP:ONEVENT, so a mention in Miss Universe Germany 2012 is sufficient. There may be a wikipedia precedent for every man and his dog ("girl and her dog" perhaps?!) who have competed in a beauty contest to have their own page, but I believe most of them only have inherited notability. 1292simon (talk) 01:03, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

::How is it one event? A national beauty pageant, and Miss Universe, that's two events. She WON the national beauty pageant, so she is clearly notable... which is exactly what the precedent says. Lukeno94 (talk) 09:01, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

:::Since it's impossible to compete in Miss Universe without winning the national title, I think they should be considered the same event for the purposes of notability. If every national candidate warrants a wikipedia page, we are gonna end up with a heap of boring WP:BLPs along the lines of "Jane Citizen won Miss *Insert Country* in 1968. She placed 38th in the Miss Universe that year.[ref]a reference[/ref] That is all". 1292simon (talk) 11:21, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

::::: Sounds like a lot of sportspeople articles on here actually. Just saying. Mabalu (talk) 12:14, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

:::::: Just because other articles are breaking the rules, that is not a justification for this article. 1292simon (talk) 04:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Keep as she passes WP:GNG, and she won a national beauty title and competed in Miss Universe (two events). --Carioca (talk) 19:56, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Redirect to Miss Universe Germany. The only sourced content here is that she won this competition, and that's already in the Miss Universe Germany article. She may be notable, but that doesn't mean we should keep an article that isn't even a competent stub. --Michig (talk) 19:28, 23 December 2012 (UTC)
Keep national beauty pageant titleholders and Miss Universe contestans are notable. — ΛΧΣ²¹ 06:29, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

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