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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All-time La Liga table

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to La Liga. Black Kite (t) (c) 23:42, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

=[[All-time La Liga table]]=

:{{la|All-time La Liga table}} – (View AfDView log)

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Contested PROD. PROD reason was "Non-notable per precedent at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/All-time English Football League 1st Division Table." and I stand by that, though I will expand further. Though the article is referenced, in my opinion it is non-notable due to the fact that it has not received significant coverage in independent reliable sources. More importantly, I feel the article is a violation of WP:NOTSTATS because it will only ever be a table of statistics. Jenks24 (talk) 20:50, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. —Jenks24 (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Spain-related deletion discussions. —Jenks24 (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Keep This table is a publication made by the official governing body of this competition (Liga de Fútbol Profesional) and it's not original reasearch (it's referenced the source from the website of the official governing body) like other all-time league tables. This table is published every year by a lot of spanish magazines{{cite web |url=http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/guia-liga-2011-2012/20110810dasdasftb_47/Tes |title=Guía As de La Liga 2012 |publisher=As |date=23 August 2011 |accessdate=23 August 2011}}{{cite web |url=http://www.argentinawarez.com/ebooks-gratis/1552017-guia-marca-de-la-liga-2011-2012-pdf-mu.html |title=Guía Marca de La Liga 2012 |publisher=Marca |date=23 August 2011 |accessdate=23 August 2011}} and is very popular in Spanish football fans. I don't think it's correctly by Wikipedia to intend to delete pages massively according to aplicate some rules so strictly, this can cause obstruction to this lovely project. I purpose the restablishment of other all-time leagues tables deleted. Best regards from Spain, tot-futbol (talk) 23:03, 23 August 2011 (CEST)

  • Just to clarify, I never said this article was original research. Jenks24 (talk) 03:44, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Keep: This article is notable and is of historical importance (at least here in Spain). These tables are very interesting, in my opinion and it would be a pity to delete them. It has taken a long time and work for users during these last years. How would you feel if they tell you that all the work you have done during these last years is going to disappear? I frankly oppose the deletion of these articles and those tables who have been deleted should be recovered. Qampunen (talk) 0:08, 24 August 2011 (CEST)

  • Keep or Merge into La Liga article. This table provides a good amount of information about one of the top football leagues in the world. [http://hemeroteca.elmundodeportivo.es/preview/1993/09/20/pagina-47/559298/pdf.html?search=Clasificación_histórica This] is just one of many reliable sources which provide coverage of the all-time table. Jogurney (talk) 22:39, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
  • As I can't read Spanish, I will take your word for it that that article is about the all-time table. I guess I would be content with a merge, though I still feel this does not warrant a stand-alone article per WP:NOTSTATS. Jenks24 (talk) 22:43, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
  • I don't read Spanish, but I can use Google Translate. The article is about the rivalry between two of Spain's most popular and successful clubs and addresses their positions in the All-time La Liga table (Clasificación histórica de la Liga) at the time (it's interesting how Valencia has done so much better than its nearest rivals since 1993). Jogurney (talk) 22:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
  • As a follow up, I did a [http://hemeroteca.elmundodeportivo.es/search.html?q=clasificaci%C3%B3n+hist%C3%B3rica+de+la+Liga&bd=01&bm=02&by=1906&ed=24&em=07&ey=2011&keywords=&__checkbox_home=true&edition=&exclude=&excludeAds=true&sortBy=&order=&x=0&y=0 search] of El Mundo Deportivo's archives and found dozens of instances of articles which reference or provide coverage of this table. Surely it is notable if one Spanish-language publication has provided so much coverage of it (and surely plenty of other Spanish-language publications have as well). Jogurney (talk) 04:37, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 00:57, 24 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Merge to La Liga. I have made my feelings about these kind of tables very clear in a number of AfDs now, and the only reason I am !voting 'merge' rather than 'delete' is because of Jogurney's research which shows some kind of use of this table by the wider media, and not just a bunch of staticians. GiantSnowman 00:59, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

:Keep The table is about one of the most notable leagues in the world and allows the reader to see who has been the best sides in Spain (other then the obvious two) over 80 years of league history, and who has played in the league at all. The intro however could do with a bit of expansion, even a list should still have some prose. Calistemon (talk) 06:54, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

  • Merge to La Liga, which is where people will be looking for the info to begin with. Bella the Ball (talk) 15:12, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
  • merge , per Bella, to the obvious place where people will look or the information: the article on the League. There's no point in chopping out a section of an article that is intrinsically very closely connected to the main article. But the argument that it should be deleted because it only goes to 2007/8 is nonsense--we don't delete articles for being incomplete. DGG ( talk ) 03:27, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Sorry, but who argued that the article should be deleted because it only goes to the 2007–08 season? Looking over the discussion, I can't see anyone say that and the article is actually accurate up to the 2010–11 season (and has been since before I sent this article to AfD). Jenks24 (talk) 03:44, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.