Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alois Hitler

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:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Cliff Smith 19:14, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

"Being related to a notable person in itself confers no degree of notability upon that person." And as far as I can tell, other than being a father of a certain Adolf, Mr. Alois did nothing that would make him notable... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 18:05, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep While being related to a notable person does not automatically grant a person notability, it often can. In cases where a person is discussed in a large number of independent reliable sources, and the discussion is more then just a passing mention of their name as the relation of the notable person, they are notable. We don't try to read in to why the reliable source decided to cover the subject. As a practical matter, the close familiar relations of extremely notable individuals are very likely to meet the notability criteria because of the relation, all that the quote is saying is we don't assume they are notable just because of the relation. Monty₈₄₅ 18:17, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
• Judging from the number of sources the subject is indeed notable in it's own. // Liftarn (talk) 18:57, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Austria-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:28, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep. Plenty of sources, and how would deleting this article improve the encyclopedia? --Arxiloxos (talk) 05:10, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep, I agree with Monty, that the nom is confused about WP:NOTINHERITED, which means only that we don't automatically give people articles just because they are related to or associated with notable people. It does not mean that we deny articles to notable people just because that relationship is why they satisfy WP:GNG as the subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable sources. Obviously there have been many people who are indisputably notable but only because they were someone's brother, someone's wife, or someone's child, regardless of how we feel about the merits of their own accomplishments or lack thereof. This deletion nomination is particularly daft given that Adolf Hitler has to be one of the most biographied individuals ever in human history, and there is undoubtedly significant insight and information that biographies of his immediate family provide to the central question of how and why Hitler became what he was. To rulemonger in the face of that is an unfortunate attitude, even apart from the fact that the nominator didn't even get the rule right. postdlf (talk) 16:32, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep per Monty and Postdlf. This man has been portrayed in numerous books and motion pictures, and the sourcing in this article is as good as it gets. See also past precedent, such as John Adams, Sr.. Bearian (talk) 20:54, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
• Keep. Rules are tools, to be applied on the basis of good editorial judgment. They aren't supposed to be bombs that go off indiscriminately and do widespread collateral damage. Use WP:NOTINHERITED for its intended purpose, please.—S Marshall T/C 21:23, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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