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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ambient trance

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Feel free to redirect after the fact, as an editorial, non-admin decision. Cirt (talk) 14:14, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

=[[Ambient trance]]=

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Mix two sub, sub sub genres together and you get a article that has been a one sentence stub for 5 years. Not notable, doubt it's really a genre. Doubt development and history can be sourced. Once again this tiny deviations of dance music are endless and not notable or unique. Ridernyc (talk) 04:19, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

:While I agree at first glance with most of your nominations, "Ambient trance" really is a subgenre (ambient and trance are not sub sub sub genres, but one genre and one subgenre together). It's the genre started by Brian Eno and perfected by acts like The Orb[http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,296807,00.html]. There are very few easily available indepth references to the genre, but there are numerous offhand remarks indicating that it is considered a real genre, things like "This CD can be recommended without reservation to all connoisseurs of the ambient trance genre."[http://books.google.com/books?id=_y5LAAAAYAAJ&q=%22ambient+trance%22&dq=%22ambient+trance%22&lr=&ei=uXeLS-P2AYzKyQTazYCMDg&cd=18] or "Along with dance-oriented producer William Orbit, Madonna swirls electronica styles like drum-n-bass and ambient trance with samba, Indian raga, Jewish klezmer, disco, psychedelic rock, folk, house music and stuff they haven't even made up names for yet."[http://www.nydailynews.com/archives/entertainment/1998/03/01/1998-03-01_you_ve_got_fantastic_new_mat.html] E;g. on InternetDj, it's a separate chart.[http://www.internetdj.com/weeklycharts.php?genreid=51&op=genrechart] While the sources I found are not really sufficient for inclusion here, I do believe that better sources are out there for this. I hope that someone more knowledgeable than me comes along... Fram (talk) 08:59, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

::It's a neologism at best. It's also been a one sentence stub for 4 years, something that would not happen if it was actually notable. Ridernyc (talk) 09:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

::Eno is usually credited with coining the term "ambient music", but I've never seen him associated with ambient trance (or trance in general). — Gwalla | Talk 21:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Delete I don't agree with all of Rider's recent AfD's on genre:subgenre:subgenre etc. etc., but this one is certainly an issue. I can't find any coverage of this phrase beyond the above-mentioned "offhand remarks." Not listed on AMG, and I've never heard of The Orb described as "ambient trance" -- "ambient house," yes, but not "ambient trance." The last bit there being my own personal, anecdotal experience, of course :). ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡbomb 18:24, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Redirect to Trance music#Trance genres. I'd say merge, but there isn't really much of anything to merge except the list of artists, and it's a little questionable. Artw (talk) 22:30, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 00:57, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Redirect to the above mentioned page, or to the ambient music page. Considering the unsourced and one-sentence nature of the page, it really doesn't seem notable enough for wikipedia. Delete may be an option. Backtable Speak to meconcerning my deeds. 22:20, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete Totally subjective and undefinable and unsourced term for yet another music sub genre. Guyonthesubway (talk) 19:14, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Redirect to trance music, nothing really to merge but a valid search term. Incidentally, Ridernyc may want to disguise his contempt for electronic music a little better; ambient and trance are two of the major genres of electronic music, and calling them "sub-sub-sub genres" is disingenuous at best. That said, there does not seem to be sufficient coverage of this particular fusion as a subject in itself, just passing usage of a term that is more or less self-defining. — Gwalla | Talk 21:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

:They are still sub sub genres in the fact they are even lower then that even if they are major genres they still have been split off other genres. Ridernyc (talk) 22:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

  • Redirect to trance music. Ambient trance lacks substance. gidonb (talk) 02:35, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Delete My research suggests contributors above are correct to say that Eno developed ambient and not ambient trance. If I could find more references to the term I would suggest deletion of content (because there is nothing notable here) and a redirect, but I can find very few references, which suggests it is an unlikely redirect. I have an open mind if there is evidence is presented that it is a likley search term.--SabreBD (talk) 09:30, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

:The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.