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You'd think a billionaire co-founder and CTO of a high-profile company would get more press coverage, but he hasn't. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. Redirect to DoorDash? Clarityfiend (talk) 20:41, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:45, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

• Comment, another cofounder Tony Xu has a standalone page. Andy Fang has some references [https://harkeraquila.com/24234/features/harker-alumni-and-businessman-andy-fang-reflects-on-doordashs-success/], [https://www.bllnr.com/culture/15-new-billionaires-under-the-age-of-35], [http://www.bli.uci.edu/the-worlds-youngest-billionaires-2021-include-a-teenager-from-germany-a-crypto-magnate-and-a-stanford-dropout/], possibly some more. Chirota (talk) 21:28, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

:* In the first place, Xu has a few articles about him. Also, WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a worthwhile argument. Your references are of little use: (1) is a prep school's website, so neither neutral nor particularly reliable; (2) has him on a list of 15, better than nothing I guess, but not by much; and (3) is a repost of part of a Forbes article that only mentions him in passing. Clarityfiend (talk) 03:10, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

::: I put my comment only as I wasn't comfortable choosing any side for this discussion. Nowadays WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is used in a completely biased fashion. Where the Essay never says "other stuff exists" arguments are unacceptable, rather it says {{tq|These "other stuff exists" arguments can be valid or invalid.}}. It also says, {{tq|When used correctly, these comparisons are important as the encyclopedia should be consistent in the content that it provides or excludes}} leaving the scope of the usage open. So its blind usage to obstruct any comparison of nominated articles with any another article should be avoided. Also, "other stuff exists" argument was just a part of my rationale while rest of the rationale was based on the references available on the subject. In either case, I hardly have any emotion here if the article is kept or deleted. Chirota (talk) 23:42, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

• Keep: the subject has been a [https://www.forbes.com/pictures/54f4e6ffda47a54de8244030/stanley-tang-22-andy-fang/?sh=379e80d3d334 Forbes 30 under 30] recipient, and is one of the [https://www.forbes.com/sites/arielshapiro/2021/04/06/the-worlds-youngest-billionaires-2021-include-a-teenager-from-germany-a-crytpo-magnate-and-a-stanford-dropout/?sh=36691362509d youngest billionaires in the world]. He has received coverage by [https://www.forbes.com/sites/chloesorvino/2020/12/09/doordash-ipo-delivers-three-billionaires-as-wall-street-ignores-a-menu-of-losses/?sh=5b0eacc817b5 Forbes], [https://archive.is/UWeV7 The Globe and Mail], [https://www.mercurynews.com/2015/10/07/cupertino-native-and-doordash-co-founder-to-speak-with-parent-group/ Mercury News] [https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/04/24/this-san-jose-neighborhood-is-in-danger-of-losing-its-shade-trees/ Mercury News again], [https://www.cnbc.com/andy-fang-doordash-technology-executive-council/ CNBC], [https://www.chicagotribune.com/business/careers-finance/sns-trailblazing-asian-american-business-people-leaders-billionaires-20210511-x2eefzdgqjhbpm5ajo5kufhvim-photogallery.html The Chicago Tribune], [https://www.businessinsider.com/coolest-people-in-silicon-valley-under-30-2015-7#ryan-hoover-10 Business Insider], [https://archive.is/Lr7Q4 Business Insider again], [https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2020/12/09/doordash-nearly-doubles-valuation.html Business Journal SF]. He has also received trivial coverage by [https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-09/doordash-ipo-delivers-billions-to-its-stanford-founders Bloomberg], [https://www.foxbusiness.com/money/doordash-ipo-turns-ceo-tony-xu-into-billionaire Fox Business], [https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/why-doordash-could-be-2020s-worst-float-l2xphrz7s The Times], [https://www.wired.com/2015/11/doordash-wants-to-own-the-last-mile/ Wired], and other publications. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 00:40, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

:* Your sources are: passing mention, passing mention in an announcement, passing mentions announcing a seminar he's putting on, a couple of paragraphs in an article not about him, non-independent short bio by CNBC for CNBC's Technology Executive Council, of which he is a member, photo and two sentences in a list of 19 Asian American business trailblazers, passing mention, passing mention in a photo caption, and stop me if you've heard this before, passing mention in an announcement. And these are the non-trivial sources? Clarityfiend (talk) 07:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

:** If the CNBC profile is non-independent, then I'll strike it. But I disagree the other sources are merely passing mentions. They might not go as in-depth as the [https://archive.is/Lr7Q4 Business Insider] source, but it's more than a trivial mention. Besides, he seems to basically meet WP:NBUSINESSPERSON. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 07:58, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

:::* Which part of NBUSINESSPERSON? He's not the president, CEO or chairperson of the board. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:24, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

::::* Forbes: four passing mentions (all paired with Tang) in an announcement that focuses on Xu

::::* Globe and Mail: a couple of quotes in an announcement

::::* 1st Mercury News: an announcement that he's giving a seminar

::::* 2nd Mercury News: an announcement that he's making a sizable donation to a school

::::* Chicago Tribune: as stated before, a photo and a two-sentence caption in a list of 19

::::* 1st Business Insider: "The company was founded by 22-year-old Stanley Tang and 23-year-old Andy Fang ..." only mention

::::* 2nd Business Insider: Okay, this one's a keeper.

::::* Business Journal SF: Can't read this without a subscription, but it's a business announcement Clarityfiend (talk) 21:36, 17 June 2021 (UTC)

:::::* I said "basically" passes NBUSINESSPERSON. Surely a co-founder & CTO is comparable to a corporate president & CEO. We don't follow the strict letter of policies and guidelines. We're not a bureaucracy. And, per your admission, he already passes GNG. You agree that the second Business Insider source is sufficient. And, although you don't say it outright, you agree that both Mercury News articles are more than a trivial mention. WP:BASIC allows us to combine multiple sources in an effort to demonstrate notability. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:29, 19 June 2021 (UTC)

• Weak keep per Dr.Swag Lord's sources. But even if we accept Clarityfiend's objections to their statements, we need to keep in mind that: (1) this is a recent billionaire in a country that worships billionaires, and (2) all the best sources are pretty recent. If he's a weak keep now in mid-2021, he'll be a strong keep by 2022. Mottezen (talk) 04:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

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