Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anibar International Animation Festival (3rd nomination)

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Currently appears to fail WP:N. AFD #1 was closed per an invalid deletion rationale and a withdrawal by the nominator in his understanding this error. A well-intended #2 AFD was itself opened while #1 was still open and was thus speedy closed for being out-of-process. Per concerns discussed at 1st AFD, THIS 3rd AFD has been opened without prejudice with the deletion rationale of the trans-wiki'd topic currently being premature for en.Wikipedia as lacking notability per WP:GNG. As an event, the Anibar International Animation Festival IS verifiable, but currently lacks enough in available sources to show notability. If available, non-English sources should be brought forward. I am bringing this to AFD as a result of the withdrawal and concerns of AFDs #1, and per WP:WIP am not myself advocating a delete at this time. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 20:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 20:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Kosovo-related deletion discussions. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 20:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 20:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 20:12, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

• Keep it's a little tricky to find coverage since it's a small festival in a small town in a small country that has no English-speaking media and a very modest online presence. However the article already links to an article in Koha Ditore, the leading newspaper of Kosovo and I found two more in the same paper [http://www.koha.net/index.php?page=1,5,65525] and [http://www.koha.net/?page=1,5,67219]. I also found a short mention of the festival by local TV station RTV21 [http://rtv21.tv/home/?p=28982]. That's still modest in terms of coverage but it's sufficient to give the article the benefit of the doubt. The article may have to be trimmed however because some of the content cannot currently be supported by these limited references. Pichpich (talk) 21:25, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
• No, I think it's the other way around, Pichpich. The WP:RS I added [http://www.rtvfan.net/animacioni-fitues-i-cmimit-oscar-vjen-ne-anibar/ here] appears to be from the local TV station's "RTVfan" online platform, which means that if you'd add the Koha Ditore ref we'd have two RS there. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 00:25, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
• Actually, the rtvfan article you dug up also appeared in Koha Ditore [http://www.kohaditore.com/index.php?page=1,5,91614] and there may very well be content-sharing deals between these websites that we don't know about. But does it really matter? Two distinct articles in Koha Ditore shouldn't be counted as a single source. (And conversely, the same article appearing on two websites shouldn't be counted as two distinct sources) Pichpich (talk) 01:11, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
• No of course not, in that case. I guess there's like a wire service, or they're reprinting the same news release. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 01:19, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
• Just as we do not fault New York Times for different articles written days, weeks, or months apart simply because they discuss different aspects of a topic, the Koha Ditore (the leading daily newspaper from Kosovo) [http://www.koha.net/index.php?page=1,5,65525 "Anibar” sjell në Kosovë Cynthia Overmanin"][http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sq&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.koha.net%2Findex.php%3Fpage%3D1%2C5%2C65525] was written August 9, 2011, and the Koha Ditore article [http://www.koha.net/?page=1,5,67219 "Nis rrugëtimi pesëditor i filmit të animuar në Pejë"][http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sq&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.koha.net%2F%3Fpage%3D1%2C5%2C67219] was written August 25. The RTV21 news article [http://rtv21.tv/home/?p=28982 "Pejë: Nis Festivali ndërkombëtar i filmit të animuar"][http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=sq&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Frtv21.tv%2Fhome%2F%3Fp%3D28982] covering the (then ongoing) festival, though also released on August 25, 2011, has different information and different content. So I think we can safely presume that significantly different articles in different sources are not the same. Combined with the already included Koha Ditore article [http://www.rtvfan.net/animacioni-fitues-i-cmimit-oscar-vjen-ne-anibar/ "Animacioni fitues i çmimit 'Oscar' vjen në 'Anibar'"][http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=sq&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rtvfan.net%2Fanimacioni-fitues-i-cmimit-oscar-vjen-ne-anibar%2F] of March 15, 2012, we now have (so far) four different articles from THE area news sources speaking about the festival and its events directly and in detail. I do not think we're expecting the same type of persistant coverage for something new and perhaps notable (even if only to Kosovo per our standards) as we might for far-longer-established film festivals in other parts of the world. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:29, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
• Thank you Michael. Those do indeed seem to me to be multiple WP:RS. In which case, keep. We can likely anticipate more on an annual basis. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:02, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

:Expected sources do not make a topic notable. --Nouniquenames (talk) 03:53, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

• Keep - Reliable sources are clearly available at this early stage, which suggests that even more will be coming soon, but even if they do not, the ones discovered appear to already pass the notability test. ConcernedVancouverite (talk) 03:07, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
• Delete - I don't see notability established within the article. More sources may come along, at which point the festival may become notable (and an article could be written). To quote, "it's a small festival in a small town in a small country..." I'd argue that there is a reason it's hard to prove notability for such a festival - it isn't notable. Otherwise, we could argue that every small-town fair is notable and worthy of inclusion. For now, I recommend a delete for this article. --Nouniquenames (talk) 03:53, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
• Keep. I wish to thank those who did the digging and brought topic sources forward. The article does not have to be perfect, nor does the festival have to have world-wide coverage. We do not expect nor demand a topic determinable per our guidlines as notable in and to Kosovo to have world-wide import, just so long as it can be determined through sources that it is notable enough to that country. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 04:34, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

• Keep{{spaced ndash}} The topic has received significant coverage in reliable Albanian-language sources. I've added three of them to the article. Northamerica1000^(talk) 05:40, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

• Keep. The organizer Mr Bajri has been deemed important enough to represent his festival at the Dok Leipzig fest in Germany in 2011 [http://www.dok-leipzig.de/dok/archiv-2011/industry-2011/guests-dok-leipzig-2011/]. This Anibar festival is gaining international attention. De728631 (talk) 17:39, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

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