Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anne-Laure Bonnel
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The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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French journalist and filmmaker. She may or may not be notable, but the current stub article about her is pretty much an attack page, and appears to be a case of WP:BLP1E. The article is almost entirely about claims that she relayed Russian propaganda related to the ongoing war in Ukraine. That issue does get substantial media coverage, but I wasn't able to find substantial coverage about her unrelated to it. Looking at Google News hits with a date range prior to the Ukraine invasion, the only substantial piece about her is an [https://www.elle.fr/Societe/Interviews/Anne-Laure-Bonnel-Etre-reporter-de-guerre-c-est-ressentir-l-urgence-de-saisir-l-histoire-3925957 interview in the magazine Elle], and interviews aren't appropriate sources for biographies. As to her documentary film Silence dans le Haut-Karabakh, I can likewise find only one pre-invasion source about it, a [https://www.valeursactuelles.com/monde/silence-dans-le-haut-karabakh-un-documentaire-sur-la-guerre-taboue-en-armenie/ video] by the far-right magazine Valeurs Actuelles which we can't use as a reliable source. Based on these sources, the article should be deleted until somebody can write a version of it that is not an attack page and establishes notability unrelated to the controversy about her Ukraine-related work. That controversy should instead be mentioned in Disinformation in the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis or another war-related article. Sandstein 06:34, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Women, Journalism, Television, and France. CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 07:12, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment Weasel words "claims to teach" and not using a neutral POV. Badly needs a rewrite. Oaktree b (talk) 15:42, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I took a shot at the article. However, I agree with the WP:BLP1E classification as there seems to be nothing out there about her other than the event regarding the 13,000 deaths. Mercy11 (talk) 23:30, 13 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete I am not a specialist of deletion policy on WP:en, but I think that this person is not well-known enough to justify an article about her. Ydecreux (talk) 11:15, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
- :Perhaps this person is not well known enough precisely because, as lack of availability of the documentaries she has made, their subject matter, and the fact they only seem to be in French or Ukrainian rather demonstrates, there is a desire to keep her from being known a little I heard about her work in the Donbass and her documentary a little while ago and went searching - Wiki was one of the few places it came up - so, to me, this is all the more reason to KEEP this entry, as a starting point perhaps. The issues she raises are quite important and deliberately ignored, or perhaps censored, in the mainstream press - Thank you Wiki for helping me find her - I would like to know, for instance, if her works has been translated/dubbed into English Aquifer1 (talk) 16:26, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- If someone is known for spreading misinformation then that's what they're known for [https://www.stopfake.org/fr/le-fake-d-une-journaliste-francaise-anne-laure-bonnel-l-armee-ukrainienne-bombarde-les-habitants-du-donbass/] and there's nothing non-neutral about our article saying so. However, I agree that she is non-notable, so Delete. Volunteer Marek 06:35, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
- :Known by whom for "spreading misinformation"? - if anyone who was ever "known" for spreading misinformation was deleted, wiki would probably be pretty bereft of any human subjects at all. It would be interesting to identify the "knowers" and see if they themselves have been known for spreading "misinformation" - Aquifer1 (talk) 16:35, 16 March 2022 (UTC)
- [https://gloria.tv/post/2MeQNRFhYAGeAUWcpMn36vYR9 On last March 8], she said that Donbass could be a case study for journalism. My feeling is that could be a case study for Wikipedia. Genium. 17:51, Mar 15, 2022 (UTC)
- Comment FYI, [https://gloria.tv/post/2MeQNRFhYAGeAUWcpMn36vYR9 she defined herself as reporter and teacher]. She teaches news media coverage issues and the writing of documentary films at Institut National de l'Audiovisuel (INA), at the École supérieure de journalisme de Paris and at Sorbonne University [Donbass: un conflit européen méconnu, a conference in Paris, 2020]. Article created as an attack page. [https://gloria.tv/post/2MeQNRFhYAGeAUWcpMn36vYR9 On last March 8], she said to be ashamed of being called a journalist. Genium. 17:33, Mar 15, 2022 (UTC)
- Weak keep: The recentness of her prominence is not a reason to delete: there are an increasing number of sources about her because of her reporting on the current war, and this might be a reason to keep the article, albeit with improvements. Some recent sources: [https://www.faz.net/aktuell/feuilleton/medien/kriegsreporterin-anne-laure-bonnel-stuetzt-russlands-propaganda-17867126.html][https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/le-discours-de-petro-porochenko-sur-le-sort-reserve-a-la-population-du-donbass-en-2014-est-il-authentique-20220315_G5UR4OUEKZFDBDXT2J4U6MPRYY/][https://www.liberation.fr/checknews/qui-est-la-journaliste-francaise-anne-laure-bonnel-qui-serait-censuree-pour-son-travail-sur-le-donbass-selon-moscou-20220303_ALMIPYNLQVENFN5GXN2RMQOYYE/][https://www.lefigaro.fr/lefigaromagazine/la-lettre-du-fig-mag-du-5-mars-2022-20220304][https://www.liberation.fr/societe/hayssam-hoballah-coach-spirituel-qui-croit-que-les-elites-font-des-sacrifices-humains-20220315_NO23K66FINA2LIHBGJJMBOH34Y/][https://www.liberation.fr/international/europe/en-direct-guerre-en-ukraine-retrouvez-les-dernieres-informations-sur-le-20e-jour-de-loffensive-russe-20220315_GN54RDPGH5BIVESNZVRX6TLQYM/][https://www.ellinikahoaxes.gr/2022/03/15/to-afp-katarriptei-ton-ischyrismo-ton-roson-gia-13-chiliades-amachous-nekrous-sto-ntonbas/] BobFromBrockley (talk) 17:52, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Delete Not only is this the case of WP:BLP1E, her documentary did not even receive widespread coverage. Furthermore, the article, as it stands, does not even provide enough context of her life, education, work etc. The only subject here is discussing how her film is misinformation. The page does not even talk much about the the documentary itself. Given that the current article seems to be written as an attempt to discredit her, I say delete unless somebody can fill in with more details. Big Wang (talk) 07:23, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
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