Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anne Hellum

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I've done independent searching to try to establish WP:VERIFY but have had no luck. After reading WP:NACADEMICS I do not believe this article fits the criteria (significance) necessary for WP:BLP Garchy (talk) 21:39, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

• Keep. She clearly meets WP:ACADEMIC # 5, which specifically includes those who hold "an equivalent position [to named chairs] in countries where named chairs are uncommon." She is a full professor at "a major institution", that is her country's preeminent and oldest university which regularly ranks among the world's top 100 universities, and which is Norway's "equivalent position" of a named chair (Norway doesn't have named chairs). This is also evident from the article itself (and the linked, relevant articles). Bjerrebæk (talk) 21:43, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

:::The author of this article asserts that the subject passes WP:NACADEMIC #5. Specifically that the person "holds or has held a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon)." While it's clear she is a full professor, I don't see her appointment satisfying the distinguished requirement. It seems she is just a run-of-the-mill full professor at a major institution - without distinction. Can you show how she is "distinguished?" The criteria in NACADEMICS are sometimes summed up in an "Average Professor Test". Put simply: when judged against the average impact of a researcher in his or her field, does this researcher stand out as clearly more notable or more accomplished than others in the field? Toddst1 (talk) 21:52, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

::::There is no such thing as "distinguished professor" or "named chair" in Norway. A full professorship at the University of Oslo Faculty of Law is the equivalent, if not better, than a distinguished professorship at an American first-tier university. She is an internationally known expert, and Norway's leading, in her field, but her chair alone is more than enough to satisfy WP:ACADEMIC # 5. Professors at the University of Oslo Faculty of Law are not "run of the mill professors" anymore than those holding named chairs at Harvard, on the contrary many of them regularly serve as acting supreme court justices. --Bjerrebæk (talk) 22:03, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

:::::Merely being a faculty member or professor at the university does not make her more notable or accomplished than others in the field. Toddst1 (talk) 22:09, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

::::::You seem to misunderstand WP:ACADEMIC, which specifically states that those who hold a named chair, or an equivalent professorship in countries where named chairs don't exist, are notable. --Bjerrebæk (talk) 22:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

::::::::Please read the Wikipedia:Notability_(academics)#General_notes section of that policy you don't think I understand. Nothing presented says she is more accomplished than others in her field. Toddst1 (talk) 22:16, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

:::::::::I've found plenty of other faculty from law schools in Norway, but they all appear to have another attribute which makes them exceptionally notable (dean of a college, Nobel Laureate, or has been Knighted) - University_of_Oslo_Faculty_of_Law#Notable_academics Garchy (talk) 22:22, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

::::::::Your assertion that she is not "more accomplished than others in her field" is very strange indeed. She is Professor and Director of the main institute "in her field" in Norway, and she obviously meets WP:ACADEMIC # 5 by holding "a named chair appointment or distinguished professor appointment at a major institution of higher education and research (or an equivalent position in countries where named chairs are uncommon)." Holding a named chair, distinguished professorship or an equivalent position is a clear indication that she is "more accomplished than others in her field." "More accomplished than others in her field" is a strange wording that I have not seen in any policy or notability guideline, and I'm not sure what it means. It certainly makes very little sense when discussing someone who is obviously one of her country's preeminent academics "in her field" as is clearly evident from the positions she holds. --Bjerrebæk (talk) 22:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

::::::::::The "strange wording" is lifted verbatim from NACADEMICS. You should read it before commenting further! Toddst1 (talk) 23:01, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

• Question/Note - Is there any material (in English or other language) that shows her as a chair-person or Director-level faculty member? This was would qualify, and if it can be added in would win my support for keep. My issues are that, whether true or not, nothing is substantiated within the article itself. Thanks, Garchy (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

::In response to User:Toddst1's most recent edit: It says she has served as "Director" of the Institute of Women’s Law since 2000. [http://www.jus.uio.no/ior/english/research/areas/womens-law/] If this is similar to a chairperson, and can be added/referenced in the article, that would be a good start, correct? Garchy (talk) 21:59, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

:::Directing the Institute of Women’s Law seems to play to #6, not #5. However, it's not clear that the Institiute is a "major academic institution or major academic society." It isn't even mentioned on University of Oslo Faculty of Law. Toddst1 (talk) 22:06, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

• Delete: Nothing I've been able to find (and I've asked) says she is more accomplished than others in her field (see discussion about NACADEMIC #5 & 6 above). I'm more than happy to change this position if such differentiation can be uncovered. Toddst1 (talk) 22:25, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
• Keep: This does it for me[http://www.kvinnelobby.no/nominer-anne-hellum-til-cedaw-komiteen]. Toddst1 (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
• She is indeed in all likelihood about to be nominated as the joint Nordic government candidate for the CEDAW committee, the principal UN committee covering her field (so far they have always been elected). I didn't put this in the article because I thought it was premature before the election, and in any event, such a role is far above the treshold required by WP:ACADEMIC. One of her colleagues at the same institute happens to be the chair of another UN committee, and many other professors at the same institution hold similar roles at the international and/or national level. It illustrates the point raised above that her chair (full professorship) at the University of Oslo Faculty of Law, her country's premier law school, is the equivalent of a named chair as per WP:ACADEMIC #5 and not a "run of the mill professorship". In Norway, all professors were until 1990 appointed by the King-in-Council and the idea that such a thing as a "run of the mill professorship" even exists makes little sense in a country where the title professor is reserved only for the most distinguished academics. --Bjerrebæk (talk) 17:11, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
• Keep The article should not be judged on academic status alone, although IMO she qualifies here too. The subject is notable as a writer and as a supporter of women's rights and the establishment of legislation in support of women. It comes well within the scope of Art+Feminism. The article in Apollon makes Hellum's contributions abundantly clear.--Ipigott (talk) 12:23, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
• Keep As per WP:ACADEMIC the subject need only meet one of the criteria to meet Notability for an Academic. She is the equivalent of a chair - or distinguished professor as per Norway standards, she is co-editor of an international journal. She holds the highest post in her field in a major academic institution. Even only reviewing English language sources she seems to be quite the individual. ☕ Antiqueight ^haver 16:17, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Norway-related deletion discussions. Bjerrebæk (talk) 23:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. /wiae /tlk 13:37, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

• Keep Does not have to meet "ACADEMIC" but she does as the editor of a journal in her field (criteria 8). All that is required is that she meet GNG, significant coverage, overtime, in reliable sources, which she does. Multiple on line sources confirm that she is the editor [https://www.cristin.no/as/WebObjects/cristin.woa/5/wa/personVis?type=PERSON&pnr=22045&la=no], [http://www.ielrc.org/content/w0507.pdf "Studies in Women’s Law Editor: Professor Anne Hellum"] SusunW (talk) 17:28, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
• Keep - WP:ACADEMIC University of Oslo credits her as "Professor and Director of the [http://www.jus.uio.no/ior/english/research/areas/womens-law/ Institute of Women's Law] since 2000." The link provided points to the said Institute affiliated with Oslo University. Among other things: {{tq|The Institute of Women’s Law is part of the interdisciplinary research program Cultural Complexity in Norway (CULCOM). It hosts the interdisciplinary research program Democracy, Gender, Human Rights and Religion. The Institute of Women's Law participates in international cooperation on teaching and research. The most important cooperation partner is The Southern and Eastern African Centre for Women's Law at the University of Zimbabwe (SEARCWL) that offers a master degree in Women’s Law.}} — Maile (talk) 17:50, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
• Keep Notable in several fields, not just Academe. Over and above that, there is WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. And there was evidently no attempt to comply with WP:Before. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 18:32, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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