Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annie jr

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Non-encyclopedic, non-authorized, amateur production of existing copyrighted stage play; if anything, this is pretty much fan fiction brought to the stage. In any event, it is non-notable, and should be deleted mhking (talk) 12:04, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: Annie jr is an authorized distillation of the Broadway musical Annie into a one-act, eleven-scene play for amateur production. —SlamDiego_←T 13:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
• Delete. I see no evidence of sufficient “notability” for a separate article. Possibly the article on the original musical should make some reference to this adaptation. —SlamDiego_←T 13:02, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
• Delete, but only if you add information on Annie Junior into the main article of Annie (musical), otherwise Keep and clean up.Mark E (talk) 13:31, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Insufficient sources or sources of poor quality. --Vejvančický (talk) 19:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

This next comment by Trufflesthedog was left on the talk page of this discussion. —SlamDiego_←T 04:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

• Annie Jr. is a published adaptation of the Annie screenplay. The publisher is Hal Leonard and the copyright date is 1977. The author is Thomas Meehan, music is by Charles Strouse and lyrics are by Martin Charnin. It is used widely in productions for children because of it's shortened length and age appropriate language. Therefore, this entry is valid and should stand.Trufflesthedog (talk) 00:24, 13 August 2009 (UTC) — Trufflesthedog (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}
• Reply: Please read the guidelines on “notability”. If you can find a “reliable source” to indicate that the adaptation is indeed widely used, then you will have made a case for mentioning the adaptation on “Annie (musical)”. It would probably take more to make a case for a separate article for this adaptation. —SlamDiego_←T 04:18, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Contributions: Meehan, Thomas., Charnin, Martin., Strouse, Charles.

Other titles: Annie Junior, Little Orphan Annie (Comic strip)

By statement: [book by Thomas Meehan ; music by Charles Strouse ; lyrics by Martin Charnin].

Series: The Broadway junior collection

Language: English

Pagination: 134 p. :

LCCN: 2002537292

LC: ML50.S9355 A6 1998

Genre: Librettos., Drama.

Subject: Musicals (Juvenile) — Librettos

Little Orphan Annie (Fictitious character) — Drama

How's that for proof? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.172.97 (talk) 13:19, 13 August 2009 (UTC) \

• Proof of what?!? And please don't hose-up discussion by just slapping arbitrarily formatted comments into it. —SlamDiego_←T 15:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

• Also I have gathered some information and have discovered it was originally performed on BROADWAY. It was produced by the John F. Kennedy Center for Performing Arts, Irwin Meyer, Stephen R. Friedman, Lewis Allen, Alvin Nederlander Associates Inc. and Icarus Productions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.31.172.97 (talk) 13:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
• Please supply “reliable sources” for these and any other relevant claims. —SlamDiego_←T 15:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

• Merge into Annie (musical). It seems to me that a standalone article for the reduced adaptation would largely duplicate information in the main article. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 14:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

• I did a lot of research and found that there have been over 500 performances since 1995. THere are over 50 pages of productions on Google. Cmonkey1103 (talk) 14:48, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
• Please supply “reliable sources” for these and any other relevant claims, with an awareness that hits on Google are not a substitute for “reliable sources”. —SlamDiego_←T 15:39, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
• I found one with little effort: [http://www.showbizradio.net/2006/08/05/review-lmp-annie-jr/ Review of Annie Jr at Laurel, MD]. Does this count as a reliable source? --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 16:56, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
• As that site ([http://www.showbizradio.net/ ShowBizRadio.net]) is one that functions primarily to promote productions, I rather doubt it; this isn't much different (if at all) from an advertisement. And brief converage in one “reliable source” wouldn't meet the threshold for “notability”. —SlamDiego_←T 05:33, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
• You've a d_mn'd good username, though, BTW. —SlamDiego_←T 05:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
• Thanks for the comment on the user name! Back on topic, my main point is that I found some press coverage of a performance of this play with little effort. I would expect Cmonkey1103 can find reliable sources with a bit more effort. --A More Perfect Onion (talk) 13:05, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
• And if an editor only finds them after the article is deleted, but finds enough of them, then he or she will have a solid argument for bringing back the article. If any editor has such expectations, then perhaps he or she should copy the article into user space (eg as User:Cmonkey1103/Annie jr). —SlamDiego_←T 15:40, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, lifebaka++ 13:36, 20 August 2009 (UTC){{#ifeq:{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Annie jr||}}

• Merge, seems an obvious choice to me. It's clearly notable enough for a mention in the musical article, but I don't see that there's enough to say about it for a separate article. Powers ^T 16:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

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