Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antioch University Ph.D. in Leadership and Change Program

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Sorry to have to nominate an academia-related article for deletion, but the subject of the article is just not notable enough to pass WP:N or WP:ORG. I looked around and could not find any substantial independent sources covering the program as such. Also, the article is definitely written as a publicity piece. Nsk92 (talk) 20:14, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

• Delete, no notability claims for the PhD program, nor can any be found searching. The only sourced claim is that it is accredited, which does not meet the requirements for an article. Rasadam (talk) 20:58, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you provide an example of a substantial independent source is? Meaning third party sources? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Binguser (talk • contribs) 20:20, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, a third-party independent source that is also a reliable source in the sense of WP:V and WP:RS. E.g. articles in the newspapers discussing the program in some detail. Or articles in scholarly publications discussing the program. Nsk92 (talk) 20:35, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

If removing the Contact, Admission Info, and Tuition will that remove the feeling towards it being a publicity for the piece? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Binguser (talk • contribs) 20:31, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:Possibly, one would have to see. However, the main problem is establishing notability. I just don't think it is possible in this case. Nsk92 (talk) 20:35, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, so using a program template such as Tri-Institutional MD-PhD Program for reference would make this more notable? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Binguser (talk • contribs) 20:46, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

:Notability cannot be fixed by using any particular template. You have to find independent reliable sources that cover the subject of the article. The other article you mention, Tri-Institutional MD-PhD Program, was also in bad shape, with no references. But a bit of google searching quickly uncovered several newsarticles providing in-depth coverage of that program, including articles in Nature[http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v419/n6905/full/nj6905-04a.html] and The Scientist[http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/summary_0286-5405036_ITM]. (I've added them to the article). So the notability of the Tri-Institutional MD-PhD Program is not really in question. If you find coverage of similar kind for the subject of the present AfD, this would certainly establish notability. Nsk92 (talk) 21:55, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 22:03, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you, I'll inform my client and we will go about creating this page with the appropriate sources. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.210.215.11 (talk) 20:13, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comment Shall we interpret this as a request for the article to be withdrawn?DGG (talk) 02:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

We are looking into third party sources and removing the publicity towards the piece. How long do we have until the article is considered to be removed completely? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Binguser (talk • contribs) 16:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

We have updated this page with third party sources. Can you review and check for notability and let us know if we need to verify. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Binguser (talk • contribs) 18:02, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• Comment The phrase "inform my client" is setting off WP:COI alarm bells with me. — Gwalla | Talk 18:11, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

We are an independent source, because it was a puffery piece written by the client, we have re-wrote this so that they would not promote a publicity piece. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Binguser (talk • contribs) 18:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• Delete I see nothing here other than info belonging in a institutional website. No notability established (being a Ph.D. is hardly enough, there are maaaany of those), nor WP is a website hosting service. - Nabla (talk) 18:25, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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