Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arleta (musician)

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The only visible claim matching any notability criterion is the "Labels" field in the infobox. If at least two of _her_ (not a musical group she belonged to) albums are with a major label, please consider this withdrawn. However, the likely reliable sources which would confirm this claim are in Greek. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 20:53, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

:: I fail to see your point. What is the problem if the sources are in Greek? Does this mean these sources or those citing them cannot be relied on because most readers have no knowledge of the language? — Chris Liak (talk) 21:33, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

::: Without weighing in on the merits of this nomination, I would say that sources are not required to be in English(WP:NOENG) if that's all that is available. 331dot (talk) 21:58, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

:::: If someone would provide quotes and translations of the relevant Greek language sources, it would be appreciated. As I read the article, there were no statements which indicate criteria from WP:NMUSIC, although there are some which might indicate WP:GNG if explained. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:24, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

:::: In other words, I cannot find English-language sources which indicate notability, and I cannot read the Greek-language sources which might indicate notability. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:27, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Greece-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:18, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 22:23, 7 December 2017 (UTC)

Keep. The late Arleta was, and still is, a very popular Greek songwriter, and singer in Greece, loved by the Greek public. Thousands of sources, mainstream Greek media, newspapers, periodicals, internet news portals etc., attest to this. Even CNN.gr has uploaded [http://www.cnn.gr/style/psyxagogia/story/92476/pethane-i-arleta an extensive obituary] for her, and also has a photo coverage of her funeral service, naming Arleta in the title as [http://www.cnn.gr/news/ellada/story/92718/to-teleytaio-antio-sti-spoydaia-tragoydopoio-arleta-pics σπουδαία τραγουδοποιό] (=great/important songwriter). ——Chalk19 (talk) 06:36, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

:If some of this were in the article, I wouldn't have made the nomination. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 00:29, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

Comment. If a tree falls in a forest outside the Anglosphaere/U.S. and no native Anglophone/U.S.American is around to hear it, does it make a sound or moreover had it ever existed in the first place for it to make a sound? ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 13:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

• Keep: Thanatos is half-joking above, but he has a point. Arleta was a very well-known singer in Greece and among Greek communities throughout the world, particularly during the 1960s and 70s, which means that most sources about her will be pre-internet print media and in an alphabet few people outside of Greece can read, and before Greek music charts existed. But here is her obituary in Kathimerini, one of Greece's most important daily newspapers, in both Greek [http://www.kathimerini.gr/921980/article/epikairothta/ellada/efyge-apo-th-zwh-h-arleta] and the online English version [http://www.kathimerini.gr/921980/article/epikairothta/ellada/efyge-apo-th-zwh-h-arleta]. Her importance to Greeks living abroad is noted in The Jerusalem Post [http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Grapevine-Balfour-Day-at-Middle-East-Mean-Time-502506] and The National Herald [https://www.thenationalherald.com/171534/greek-new-wave-singer-arleta-dies-72/]. Richard3120 (talk) 14:51, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
• Withdraw, then. There was still nothing in the article which indicates notability. Would one of you fix the article, or it will likely be nominated again. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

::I don't mind adding the English sources in the next few days - if {{u|Chalk19}} or {{u|Thanatos666}} have access to articles in Greek that could be added, it would be appreciated. Richard3120 (talk) 16:43, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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