Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arrietty (drag queen)

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Cannot find enough in-depth, non-trivial coverage for this person to meet GNG. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 05:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Entertainment, California, and Washington. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 05:44, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sexuality and gender-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 11:48, 25 February 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per snowball. There's a reason almost every single RuPaul's Drag Race contestant has an entry. That's because being cast on the show essentially guarantees notability per WP:ENTERTAINER; in addition to appearing on the series, participants are cast on the independently notable RuPaul's Drag Race: Untucked, appear on the notable series Whatcha Packin' and Hey Qween!, and participate in notable events and tours such as RuPaul's DragCon LA and Werq the World. Article improvement > article deletion. --Another Believer _(Talk) 16:17, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

• KEEP.

:She is quite literally still airing on the show, the article is obviously going to expand more until the show stops airing or she is eliminated. In addition, she is a well-rounded performer who has a lot more to offer than simply her run on a television show. There is no reason to delete this article.

:The nomination stems from a person whose name is a wikipedia page with less content than the Arrietty page... so... maybe just maybe this stems from a negatively minded conservative and not a real care towards Wikipedia guidelines.

:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanahary - here Zanahary if you care so much about GNG how about you go try to delete an article that actually does not meet GNG and has very little in-depth/non-trivial coverage. 2607:FA49:9C3E:4400:2DFB:DF3D:EA57:C17F (talk) 17:33, 26 February 2025 (UTC)— 2607:FA49:9C3E:4400:2DFB:DF3D:EA57:C17F (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{#if:|A sockpuppet investigation is open at Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/{{{spi}}}.{{sp}}|}}

::You got me. I'm a Malagasy sky deity jealous that my followers have dwindled to below the followers of this fabulous drag performer. I projected my consciousness into a field of clay to construct a golem that is now serving my divinity through Wikipedia.{{pb}}Anyways, WP:CRYSTAL; WP:TOOSOON. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:38, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

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:::thank you, next. 2607:FA49:9C3E:4400:2DFB:DF3D:EA57:C17F (talk) 18:05, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

:{{comment}} Since the show is still in competition, this nomination is a few days premature. Let's see what happens this weekend. Bearian (talk) 10:23, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

::We wait for notability, not for persistent appearance of lack of notability. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 13:03, 27 February 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep. As of Episode 9, he is in the top 7, so far. I'm still waiting for Episode 10, when more contestants shall be eliminated. Bearian (talk) 13:12, 2 March 2025 (UTC)
• :Was eliminated 8th out of 14 in episode 9 as of March 8th. (unless the wiki page is wrong) Moritoriko (talk) 02:42, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete: The Seattle Times is the only decent source about this person. Rest are about everyone on the show, or the person responding to "nasty" things others have said. Probably TOOSOON, outside of the show, there doesn't seem to be notability. Oaktree b (talk) 13:47, 12 March 2025 (UTC)
• Strong Keep and SNOW Close I'm sorry, {{u|Zanahary}}, but this crusade of selective deletion nominations just embodies everything to me that is wrong with the overly bureaucratic, nonsensical, anti-common sense enforcement of WP:GNG and WP:BIO which plagues Wikipedia. First of all, we have articles for virtually every RPDR performer stemming seventeen seasons. Why are we selectively deleting and merging articles belonging to two performers from a particular season, seemingly at random, even though they clearly meet WP:ENTERTAINER - by virtue of having appeared on both RuPaul's Drag Race and Untucked!? To override decades of status quo consensus, which has been that RPDR performers are notable, to selectively delete a handful of biographies with no rhyme or reason for why you are choosing Arrietty and Kori King (and not others, such as first place eliminations from the same season or less viewed seasons), is astounding to me. The Kori King merge should be undone and this AFD nom should be speedy closed under WP:SNOW. If we want to, as a community, decide that RPDR performers do not pass WP:BIO and WP:GNG, then we should make this decision in a logical manner (not an arbitrary one) via a broader discussion, in order to have consistency across the hundreds of RPDR-related articles which populate Wikipedia. Flip^andFlopped ツ 00:17, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
• :I don’t think you understand SNOW. We don’t have to come to a positive consensus about RPDR contestants not inherently meeting GNG, because there is no consensus that they do. The fact that many previous contestants meet GNG does not mean that appearing on RPDR implies GNG—and the deletion of Kori King, which followed the consensus of votes based on policy (not personal attacks against me), shows that RPDR performers don’t inherently meet ENT just because they appear on Drag Race and its companion shows. And seriously, “crusade” over three AfDs is ridiculous. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 00:41, 14 March 2025 (UTC)
• ::What you are trying to do is unilaterally overturn WP:ENTERTAINER, because Kori King clearly meets it. You have refused to acknowledge its existence, nor acknowledge the first SNOW close vote of {{u|Another Believer}}, who already pretty clearly pointed out how this article clearly meets the ENTERTAINER requirements (Kori King has appeared on two televised, cable broadcasted, notable shows that each pass WP:GNG, therefore she passes WP:PEOPLE notability under ENTERTAINER). Both myself and Another Believer brought this policy to your attention, and both times you have completely ignored it.
• ::Your AfD spree is like me going and randomly deleting three mayors, or three Olympians, ignoring the GNG provisions which specifically address them, and then saying, "This is not a SNOW close! I don't care if binding policy already governs, we need a positive consensus"!
• ::The Kori King and Acacia Forgot decisions should be reversed, this should be SNOW closed per WP:ENTERTAINER, and if you wish to make changes to that policy or change how WP:ENTERTAINER is interpreted such that there are additional hurdles beyond appearing on two television shows, then you should make an RFC proposing as much, instead of randomly targeting articles with no clear rhyme or reason. Flip^andFlopped ツ 17:51, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
• :::{{tq|nor acknowledge the first SNOW close vote of Another Believer}} How am I supposed to “acknowledge” this vote? Withdraw my nomination?
• :::The ENT argument is weak, as another editor on the Kori King AfD pointed out, because these notable programs are all part of the same program—Untucked is just an aftershow, and Whatcha Packin is an interview uploaded to YouTube featuring the most recently eliminated contestant. I don’t believe that that counts as appearing in multiple notable programs. You may disagree, but this is a deletion discussion, where declaring “SNOW close” and not having the discussion immediately closed does not give you grounds to attack other editors.
• :::And I saw your deleted comment accusing me of targeting LGBTQ+ topics. Don’t ever cast an aspersion about me like that again. I’ll point out that EVERY contestant on RuPaul’s Drag Race (save for one) is LGBTQ+. I nominated three recent competitors who, in my judgment, failed the notability requirements. This is not a conspiracy. Enough insane accusations about my intentions here. If you think they have teeth, bring it up at a relevant venue (and good luck to you). This is a deletion discussion. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:45, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
• {{strikethrough|Weak delete}} Delete I don't think there's enough currently for him to warrant an article, I do agree that the article may expand but it could also stagnate as well. Currently most of the sources are about him in relation to the show, and per WP:ENTERTAINER I don't see him having any other significant roles outside of the tv show or have made unique contributions. Moreover, I'm not sure "web series" is notable enough, especially when the sources are all youtube links.Alexthegod5 (talk) 22:44, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

::Changing my vote to delete because a couple of the other sources are from instagram and, like Oaktree mentioned, the only reliable source is the Seattle Times and possible the Seattle Gay Times, and I agree it probably is TOOSOON. Alexthegod5 (talk) 23:22, 18 March 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per Oaktree. (or Merge to current season of RPDR like Kori King) It's really TOOSOON. I looked through a number of the other performers from prior seasons of RPDR and they all had other credits as well, I don't think the companion shows of Untucked or Packin' etc serve to count as multiple shows for the purposes of ENTERTAINER. As far as I can tell Arriety hasn't appeared at DragCon LA or Werq the World as Another Believer brought up but if they do then that would count towards obtaining notability. I know it isn't the exact same but not every performer that has appeared on American Idol or So You Think You Can Dance (American TV series) is notable enough to get their own page either. Once/If Arrietty uses their performance on the show as a launching point to do more then they will be notable for their own page. Moritoriko (talk) 02:39, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

:I think deleting this page is senseless this soon. I understand that she may not qualify for GNG, but I feel like that has a strong YET attached to it. She just was on the largest drag show in the world, will continue to work and appear professionally, and becoming more of a name. To delete it now feels like a response to her final words on her final episode, whoever originally nominated it for AFD. 2603:8000:3A3B:BB3F:8C7:694:D276:A287 (talk) 02:55, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

::So, you're saying it's WP:TOOSOON. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 03:30, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

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