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Player who has never played in a competitive match between two teams from fully-professional leagues (failing WP:NFOOTBALL) and, more importantly, has not received significant coverage (failing WP:GNG). I have [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADavidlofgren1996&type=revision&diff=948013557&oldid=947708946 afforded] the article creator a chance to demonstrate notability before this AFD but he has failed to do so. GiantSnowman 20:01, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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• Keep – I would argue that any player who has played in the CAF Super Cup (African equivalent of the UEFA Super Cup or Recopa Sudamericana) would be notable not only in his own country, but in the whole continent. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 20:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

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::{{ping|Davidlofgren1996}} where is the coverage that comes with notability? GiantSnowman 16:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

:::{{ping|GiantSnowman}} Where is the coverage that comes for any international footballer for a country in the bottom 100 FIFA ranked countries? Where is the coverage for most of the footballers of the early 1900s? Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 17:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

::::Your case is that he is notable because he has, quote, "played in the CAF Super Cup". There is plenty of coverage about footballers in DR Congo. Please find it for this person. GiantSnowman 17:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

:::::Lets be honest, he's never going to have any major coverage on him. Nor are a lot of the footballers that have Wikipedia pages. You said yourself that you had this player in your draft space, so you were waiting for him to either move to Anderlecht and make an appearance there, or make an appearance at senior international level. If he had made one senior international appearance, what difference is a game against, say, the Rwanda national football team in a meaningless friendly to one of the most prestigious competitions in African football, the CAF Super Cup? He would have no less coverage after one international friendly game than he does now. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 19:19, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

::::::That's patently false. More appearances at a notable level = more media coverage. That's the whole bloody point of NFOOTBALL! GiantSnowman 19:38, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

:::::::You're telling me that, for example, an international footballer for the British Virgin Islands is going to get coverage? Let's take Carlos Septus or Desire Montgomery Butler for example, two players with over 15 caps apiece. Absolutely zero coverage. Davidlofgren1996 (talk) 20:39, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

• Keep - He was also called up (but sat on bench) for national team. I've added references supporting that. With him playing regularly at highest level in his country, on the edge of the national team, and with international club appearances, there's presumably GNG coverage out there, if one had access to local media. Also has had other international coverage such at [https://www.walfoot.be/news/2019-07-03/-la-decouverte-delia-et-zola-les-deux-talents-congolais-qui-debarquent-a-anderlecht this] and [https://orangefootballclub.com/fr/articles/meschack-elia-et-arsene-zola-tp-mazembe-attendus-a-anderlecht/ this]. And what about his U23 disqualification per [http://www.adiac-congo.com/content/can-u23-la-rdc-disqualifiee-pour-avoir-aligne-arsene-zola-contre-le-maroc-98982 this], which resulted in the disqualification of the entire DR Congo U-23 football team? That's well into GNG territory, with several other references out there too. Article needs improving. Nfitz (talk) 19:22, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
• Keep Looking through French language sources I think he pretty clearly meets WP:GNG. SportingFlyer T·C 17:50, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

::{{ping|SportingFlyer}} what sources are those please? Davidlofgren1996 was unable to provide any prior to this AFD and Nfitz specifically talks about the lack of "local media". GiantSnowman 17:55, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

:::Sources like [https://www.africatopsports.com/2019/08/01/anderlecht-que-se-passe-t-il-avec-meschack-elia-et-arsene-zola/], [http://www.adiac-congo.com/content/dossier-meschak-elia-des-zones-dombre-dans-la-decision-de-la-fecofa-108988] is about the other player who transferred to Anderlecht but should be used in the article to show he didn't make the grade for some reason, [https://footrdc.com/internationale/mercato-meschack-elia-et-arsene-zola-invisibles-dans-le-camp-danderlecht/], [https://www.football365.fr/can-u23-arsene-zola-declare-ineligible-rdc-disqualifiee-profit-maroc-9073267.html], [https://www.dhnet.be/sports/football/division-1a/anderlecht/anderlecht-elia-toujours-introuvable-fin-du-test-de-zola-5d695c34f20d5a2566ccded6], [https://footrdc.com/editorial/tp-mazembe-de-lembouteillage-dans-le-couloir-gauche/]. Some of those are just mentions, but I just did a Google News search and went in a few pages. Clear keep IMO SportingFlyer T·C 18:02, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

::::I never said there was a lack of local media - I never checked ... there was no point digging any further. Nfitz (talk) 04:28, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

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