Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arshad Heelaman

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Appears to fail WP:GNG and WP:BIO. The only independent sources used in the article all fail to mention Arshad Heelaman even once, so do not confer notability. Those that do mention him are all social media sites, so not WP:RS. I have no idea how the article creator has managed to write such a detailed article about this man when searches in English and Pashto (ارشاد هیله من) yield absolutely no independent WP:RS at all. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:39, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Afghanistan. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:39, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:Hi,

:I have used all sources from his primary Youtube channel, which includes extensive interviews of him talking about his background and the work he has done, those interviews were done one Afghan television and are in the Pashto language. Spyjockstrap (talk) 17:53, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::Youtube interviews have been used as references which include himself speaking on Afghan national television:

::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT-3fKoPP40

::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_01eANPIv0&t=14s

::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgbXymmYY0I

::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6VSUJ6a_-4&t=1s

::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6z5_37_B3hE&t=1s Spyjockstrap (talk) 17:55, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::Another interviews of himself on Afghan TV Channel:

::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWuPx09yMhI

::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y0xN6BUQRs Spyjockstrap (talk) 17:56, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::Here is video from previous Afghan national government TV Channel with former president of Afghanistan Ashraf Ghani:

::https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXKPi-dLCwY

::At (0:29) timestamp Arshad Heelaman can be seen in attendance with other former Afghan government officials. Spyjockstrap (talk) 18:00, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::He has also been involved in the government of Afghanistan in the past which can be seen from his X account posts:

::https://x.com/AHeelaman/status/1347954458244894724/photo/1

::Issue is he is from a backwards marginalized community (Gujar) in Afghanistan so there will not be much 3rd party information about him online in English or Pashto, but he is a known figure in the Gujjar community for the work he has done for his people. Here is his official Facebook account: https://www.facebook.com/arshadheelaman1 Spyjockstrap (talk) 18:08, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::All social media. If he is indeed notable then there should be some independent news sources that cover him. As things stand, I still support deletion. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:54, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::In this day and age, almost anyone can create a YouTube, X and Facebook account about themselves. It doesn't make him notable having those. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:57, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::::Did you check the videos ? Im not sure who would go on Afghan national television and in the Afghan parliament as a minority rights activist, just to get a page on Wikipedia. Please go through the sources thoroughly, I have seen Youtube Videos been used as references as long as they are primary sources of a known figure. Spyjockstrap (talk) 19:11, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::::The person is genuine and has had to recently flee his homeland Afghanistan because of the recent Taliban take over and his work for womens and minority rights in Afghanistan. Spyjockstrap (talk) 19:13, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::His own YouTube channel is not an independent source - see WP:GNG. Have you got any Afghan news sources covering him? What about Pajhwok Afghan News, The Kabul Times Daily or Daily Afghanistan? We can't have an article on someone based only on his own primary sources. I'm not suggesting he isn't 'genuine', in fact, I'm sure he's a great guy. By the way, doing an interview on TV does not make someone automatically notable. If there were to be independent analysis of his TV appearances from a reliable news source then that would be a better argument for notability. There are hundreds of people that get interviewed every year by BBC News or Sky News that wouldn't automatically be notable either so I don't see why it would be a different standard for an Afghan. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:32, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::On a related point, I've read WP:OWNWORDS carefully and it does warn against using YouTube videos when there might be a copyright issue. Do we know that Heelaman has permission to use that TV footage from the Afghan station itself? That material doesn't belong to him so he may be in breach of copyright by uploading it into the public domain but I'm not too familiar with Afghan copyright law. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:39, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::Copy right check was passed by another user, those videos have been uploaded for a long time. Would be been copyright striked by now Im assuming. Spyjockstrap (talk) 07:57, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

:::::::Please can you confirm how Heelaman meets WP:BIO or WP:GNG? BIO is clear when it says Primary sources may be used to support content in an article, but they do not contribute toward proving the notability of a subject. Therefore, Heelaman uploading his own YouTube videos does not prove notability, as his own YouTube is obviously a primary source. Has he been covered by any major secondary sources such as Pajhwok Afghan News, The Kabul Times Daily or Daily Afghanistan? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:45, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

::::::::I agree with your point, there should be secondary sources mentioning him and my only argument for that is because he is from a backwards and marginalised group it is not possible to find such info unfortunately. We both agree on this, only thing now is, what is the next step ? Let's get a vote and come to a conclusion because the back and forth is not productive. Spyjockstrap (talk) 11:01, 26 May 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete: Zero media coverage, Gnews is blank. Gsearch is only social media. Article is sourced only to primary or non-RS sources. There is nothing to show notability. Oaktree b (talk) 22:34, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: The photo is also a likely copyright violation, I've tagged it. that's another red flag that this person isn't notable. We see them in AfD. Oaktree b (talk) 22:37, 1 June 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Most of the sources are just yt as nominator said, and no proper results yielded on Google also. BoomBoxBuddy (talk) 2:25, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

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