Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Attila Karacs

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Non-notable kickboxer - does not meet WP:KICK. Peter Rehse (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Martial arts-related deletion discussions. Peter Rehse (talk) 16:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:KICK and WP:GNG. The only sources are the promotion he was fighting for.204.126.132.231 (talk) 18:49, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
• Keep profile was created acording to rules of that time. Rules are changed but we can not just delete profile because of that. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 12:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

::Actually, his notability was never tested at an AfD and even if it was, articles are brought up at second AfDs all of the time. Papaursa (talk) 16:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hungary-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:32, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete No independent references and he also fails to meet WP:KICK. Papaursa (talk) 16:55, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Delete We judge articles by the present rules designed to make Wikipedia usable in the 2010s, not the looser rules of the 2000s that lead it to suffer from a large number of articles on marginal figures and poorly developed or lacking articles on more important people.John Pack Lambert (talk) 02:18, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

::We can not just piss on the articles tat were created acording to the rules at that time. Someone made effort to create it. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 01:58, 235 August 2014 (UTC)

:::Someone makes an effort to create every article. Are you claiming that therefore no article should ever be deleted?Mdtemp (talk) 18:24, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

::::This kickboxer is really notable, do we want to lose all the data? Illovecoffee (talk) 10:47, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

• Comment if you were notable, you are notable. OMG...... Master Sun Tzu (talk) 01:58, 23 August 2014 (UTC)
• Keep The most known Hungarian kickboxer in history. He held some titles and fought in the K-1 and It's Showtime promotions. Against some big names. Craete p (talk) 15:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

::Notability is not gained by fighting notable fighters (see WP:NOTINHERITED). Mdtemp (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:KICK and has no independent sources to meet WP:GNG. Mdtemp (talk) 17:51, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
• Strong keep Karacs Attila was a champion that defeated Bregy, Quarteron and Vondráček. Illovecoffee (talk) 10:41, 27 August 2014 (UTC)
• Comment Guys, what does this article need in order to be kept? I can improve it, maybe Sun Tzu can also help. I am just saying, we kept a lower-ranked Priest West. Illovecoffee (talk) 10:53, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

::Priest West met WP:KICK having fought for a WMC world championship.Peter Rehse (talk) 10:12, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

:::Karacs won the K-1 tournament in Hungary (2005). It was official, just saying. Illovecoffee (talk) 11:23, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

::::Can you find some reliable sources to back this up? That'll do the most help for you. Notability is established through coverage in third-party reliable sources; establishment of notability in these sources is the core of WP:N. Red Phoenix ^{let's talk...} 14:36, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete - The only references are from websites controlled by the subject's promotion and hence cannot be deemed to be reliable. An online search shows videos and blogs but no reliable sources. Being talented does not mean being automatically notable; there are many talented accountants in the world that do not have Wikipedia pages.--Rpclod (talk) 17:50, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Comment So far there have been no policy based arguments for keeping this article. WP:ILIKEIT is not sufficient. Papaursa (talk) 17:55, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Delete; not notable enough. Kierzek (talk) 18:10, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
• Comment; According to prevous rules, kickboxer was notable if fought for k-1 or It's Showtime, Attila did it. profile was here according to the rules and should be kept. Master Sun Tzu (talk) 01:58, 03 September 2014 (UTC)

::Please show what notability criteria he currently meets.Mdtemp (talk) 17:53, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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• Delete I don't know what the previous criteria were, but he doesn't meet any of the current criteria and that's all that matters to me. Plus it's clear he fails GNG with no independent coverage.131.118.229.17 (talk) 01:22, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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