Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australian Fellowship of Evangelical Students

:{{la|Australian Fellowship of Evangelical Students}} ([{{fullurl:Australian Fellowship of Evangelical Students|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Australian Fellowship of Evangelical Students}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

fails WP:ORG, very little third party coverage [http://news.google.com/archivesearch?as_user_ldate=1990&as_user_hdate=2009&q=%22Australian+Fellowship+of+Evangelical+Students%22&num=10&scoring=a&hl=en&q=%22Australian+Fellowship+of+Evangelical+Students%22&lnav=od&btnG=Go]. article is based on primary sources and sounds like group cruft. LibStar (talk) 03:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

• Keep Google search alone may not but google books;Books 1 - 10 of 651 on Australian Fellowship of Evangelical Students. (0.11 seconds)--Amadscientist (talk) 04:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
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• Keep - AFES is the Australian arm of the International Fellowship of Evangelical Students. It's not a club, it's an umbrella body of student Christian groups in Australia. It's the largest grouping of student groups of any religion in Australia, and is definitely notable. Despite the lack of sources in the article at present, it's well documented in secondary sources - see, for example Stuart Piggin's Spirit of A Nation (ISBN:9781876825584), Olver Barclay's From Cambridge to the World (ISBN:978085114996), and there's several books by some of the founding groups of the AFES such as the Sydney University Evangelical Union (e.g. ISBN:978646452789) and Melbourne Christian Union. Clubs from the equivalent groups in other countries have articles (e.g. CICCU, OICCU). See also this published thesis [http://www.nickduke.net/theological/downloads/Evangelical_Student_Work_History.pdf]. Lots of sources, just needs fixing. Bookscale (talk) 11:47, 22 June 2009 (UTC) — Bookscale (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. {{ #if: | The preceding unsigned comment was added at {{{2}}} (UTC).}}

:I am sorry for mentioning these sources. Apparently I have not made enough edits on Wikipedia, despite wanting to help. Please accept my apologies. Bookscale (talk) 13:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

: equivalent groups from other countries is not a valid argument as per WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. LibStar (talk) 13:26, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

• Strong Keep As the Austrialian affiliate of IFES it is certainly notable. As an umbrella organisation, it may not have a high profile, but its constituent Christian Unions no dount will, at least within their universities. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Not notable due to lack of significant in-depth coverage in independent reliable sources. Fails WP:CLUB as well as WP:NOTE. Drawn Some (talk) 13:24, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
• Delete due to lack of independent coverage. Looking at the IFES, only two or three similar organisations have articles, and most of them suffer from the same problems. Orderinchaos 16:03, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

:Are you not allowed to include books? Bookscale (talk) 07:04, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

• Keep and improve - there are clear issues with the article but the topic seems notable enough. Bookscale, if you have sourced info from books please add it. Springnuts (talk) 07:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

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