Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BRYAN BROOKS

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NN high-school basketball player with alot of unsourced speculation. No evidence of meeting WP:BIO, should be speedied, but not a A7, Delete Secret ^account 22:26, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Agree there should be some way to speedy these puff pieces.Porturology (talk) 22:27, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Non-notable. And again, we really should be able to speedy this stuff. --Pstanton (talk) 22:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

• Delete - But I have to disagree with you two. If the author makes an assertion that the article is somewhat significant, speedying it would be unnecessarily WP:BITEY. If this kind of article was speediable, it couldpotentially drive away new, good faith editors who are just unfamiliar with wikipedia. This afd process shows that the reason their article was deleted is from a community consensus that it should be, not just a single editor who's using WP:IDONTLIKEIT. FingersOnRoids♫ 00:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

• Keep - alleges notability, but is a big mess, which I've tagged. I suggest moving first, then re-listing. Bearian (talk) 01:14, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

• Delete - I don't see where notability is alleged anywhere in the article. There are a few news articles that mention his name, but this isn't enough to satisfy WP:ATHLETE or any other general criteria of notability. Teleomatic (talk) 01:37, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

• Speedy Delete - The closest I see to an claim of notability (outside of, "he's played pro players once or twice") is the statement that he and a buddy:

  were included in the RIZE magazine at the beginning of the 2008-09 school year where they stated "we will work hard and be at the state championship"

  Except that I can't find a "RIZE magazine," and Google has no archived news sources containing that quote. So, maybe it's referring to RISE (magazine)? I can't find his name on that site, either. The "where he stands in the land" reference? That's a link to the front page of Rivals.com. From there you can get to a page where you can search 2009 high school basketball players by name—where he isn't found, either. End result: I see no claims to notability that actually exist. Why shouldn't it be speedied right now? Dori (Talk • Contribs) 02:42, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

::Comment: I just deleted the [http://www.maxpreps.com/connecticut/football/wilcox-tech-(meriden)/bryan-brooks/stats.aspx?athleteid=ad9a2844-a8f7-41bf-97a4-f756efe0b85e&ssid=2f36027d-d6f6-4509-aba9-adad5cc85b5e&urpath=,local,player Bryan Brooks Wilcox Tech Football Stats 08-09] reference, as the 5'9" football-playing Bryan Brooks from CT isn't the 6'3" basketball-playing Bryan Brooks from MD. Dori (Talk • Contribs) 01:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

• Delete Fails WP:athlete. --Sloane (talk) 15:29, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

• Keep - The article is definantely a good read it just has some rough edges, needs some editing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.110.126.204 (talk) 19:10, 17 March 2009 (UTC) Some users may dispute the validity of these !votes, as they are made by anonymous and/or newly registered users and therefore may be sockpuppet !votes. See Wikipedia:Sock puppet.
• Delete obviously, per the above. Eusebeus (talk) 23:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
• Keep, if a high school athlete can qualify for inclusion and send out for a thorough sandblasting and copyedit. His work as player seems to get quite a bit of coverage.[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/12/AR2009031203138.html][http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/14/AR2009031402017.html][http://www.wittysparks.com/video/1536377240/][http://www.gazette.net/gazette_archive/2004/200406/clinton/sports/200340-1.html][http://www.explorehoward.com/sports/16583/boys-basketball-playoffs-atholtons-run-ends-semis/][http://www.gazette.net/stories/01232009/prinspo82410_32486.shtml][http://www.somdnews.com/stories/03062009/rectop164404_32211.shtml][http://www.gazette.net/stories/03062009/prinspo82151_32494.shtml][http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&q=%22BRYAN%20BROOKS%22%2C%20basketball%2C%20Friendly&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wn]... No doubt he'll be in the pros or college circuit next year, but currently seems to be nudging on the plus side of WP:GNG. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

::Comment: note that to meet the general guidelines for notability the coverage must be significant - most of these articles mention him in less than one sentence, the most significant coverage is three paragraphs about how he landed face first after making a slam dunk. Nowhere does it mention that he's considered pro-worthy. Teleomatic (talk) 02:12, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

::Comment: also note that #'s 1 and 2 are already in the article; #3 is a blog, and all the rest appear to be small community papers reporting on the local high school teams. If a name being mentioned a couple of times in a local paper solely for having played on a school team is grounds for GNG, we'll be deluged within a week. And I'll take you up on that "No doubt he'll be in the pros or college circuit next year"—as it says in the article, no college has asked him to sign a letter of intent, and it's getting late in the season. If he's actually talking about attending a JC or prep school (!) as the article says, it's unlikely that he'll ever make it to pro. Dori (Talk • Contribs) 03:40, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

• Most high-school players make the news trivialy sentence wise as high-school sports are usually covered in the back of the local town newspaper. I checked right now on a google check for my cousin who was Third-Team All-County in baseball five years ago, 23 exact google news hits, all trivial (can't link who because of ED), and now he's a assistant manager of a store in Miami. If that's the case, many of my friends will have articles, as they played in the high-school's baseball, basketball, football teams, and got some slight coverage (sentence or so) in the box scores of those games, and all these ppl are now college students not playing sports or Division III athlete (in one case). Here in the United States, being a high-school athlete doesn't mean success, or even playing in sports. There has been heavy consensus in the past that even the best high-school athletes heading to college doesn't deserve articles. Secret ^account 12:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
• Neutral. Really? Tis seems quite borderline at best and so poorly written, and the subject apparently so young, that holding off to see what media coverage they get over the next year or two might make sense. Otherwise the article is ____ was a notable high school basketball player which wouldn't seem to measure up. Perhaps a merge to their home high school may make more sense? I could be swayed per WP:Hey if they also starred in High School Musical -- Banjeboi 07:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
• Delete. Non-notable per WP:ATHLETE. Doctorfluffy (robe and wizard hat) 19:52, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE and the article has almost nothing of value in it. Enigma^msg 05:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions. —Giants27 ^T/C 20:44, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 00:01, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Having played against some pros once doesn't transfer notability through osmosis. Fails standards of notability. DreamGuy (talk) 22:11, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE. No offsetting high profile coverage of him that meets general notability requirements for biographies. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 02:28, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Fails WP:ATHLETE.Nrswanson (talk) 10:09, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

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