Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bangla science fiction

:{{la|Bangla science fiction}} ([{{fullurl:Bangla science fiction|wpReason={{urlencode: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bangla science fiction}}&action=delete}} delete]) – (View AfD)(View log)

I was torn about that nomination, and I would like to see arguments against the deletion (I am well aware of issues with Western-centric bias). Yet the article has several issues: the subject is pretty unknown, and borders on a possible hoax/OR. as the article is mostly unreferenced and based on a single English language source, already offline (but accessible via the Wayback Machine). Is [http://web.archive.org/web/20070208031542/http://www.sarai.net/journal/03pdf/076_082_dsengupta.pdf this single source] reliable? Hard to say. The subject as it is named is unknown in the print world ([http://books.google.com/books?q=%22Bangla+science+fiction%22&btnG=Search+Books], [http://books.google.com/books?q=%22Science+Fiction+in+Bengal%22&btnG=Search+Books]) and has very few general google hits: [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=multizilla&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&hl=en&q=%22Bangla%2Bscience%2Bfiction%22%2B-wikipedia ~100 for the current article title] and even less for the alternative ([http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Science+Fiction+in+Bengal%22+-wikipedia&btnG=Search]). As it stands, the article may be a summary of a topic covered by a single article of unknown reliability (I haven't checked how closely the article, which mostly lacks inline cites, follows the claimed source). What shall we do? Perhaps some non-English references can be brought to back up the article? PS. Somebody should create an article on science fiction in India (or science fiction in Bangladesh), at least we could consider some merger... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:42, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

• Comments: You can search for Bengali Science Fiction. Literature is dependent on the language used. Hence, creating separate page for India and Bangladesh will not help: there are many other languages used in India and literature of one has very little connection with that of another. Google books provide three limited view books when searched for 'Bengali Science Fiction' and web pages are in few thousands. You could have marked the page with unref tag. I don't think its AFD candidature is justified. An article on Bengali Science Fiction is as useful or useless for English wikipedia as similar pages on Norwegian, Croatian or Russian Science Fiction. Thanks.--GDibyendu (talk) 17:06, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
• It depends. The usefulness of an article on Bengali science fiction, Norwegian science fiction, Croatian science fiction, or Russian science fiction depends on the number of authors writing SF in those languages, the quality of their works, the extent of their influence, and so forth. Some languages may have more impressive SF literatures than other languages. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 07:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. —_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. —_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 15:43, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Science fiction-related deletion discussions -- The Red Pen of Doom 16:23, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
• Keep - perhaps with name change current sourcing is minimal, but as a concept the topic of the article appears to have substance. And this source [http://books.google.com/books?id=KnPoYxrRfc0C&pg=PA3889&dq=bangla+%22science+fiction%22&lr=] would appear to satisfy WP:N if someone has the time to work the content into the article. And according to this [http://books.google.com/books?id=ppr5I1tb8Y0C&pg=RA2-PT108&dq=bangla+%22science+fiction%22&lr=#PRA2-PT109,M1] "most of the science fiction writing being done [in Indian languages] is in Marathi and Bengali" I am not familiar enough with naming conventions to know if "Bangla" is the preferred/most common adjectival form - perhaps the article should be re-named.-- The Red Pen of Doom 17:18, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
• I agree with this part that the page should be moved to Bengali Science Fiction.--GDibyendu (talk) 17:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

::*Comment. Science fiction should not be capitalized.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:08, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

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:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:03, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

• Keep and move to Bengali science fiction. There do seem to be a few sources indicating the existence of science fiction literature in Bengali dating back to the 19th century, and Bengali is one of the most spoken languages in the world, so the topic appears to be valid. The [http://web.archive.org/web/20070208031542/http://www.sarai.net/journal/03pdf/076_082_dsengupta.pdf main source used] looks acceptable as something to use in the article, although it would be helpful if additional sources (in any language) could be located too. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 08:17, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep (and move as above). As well as what has already been said, this has an entry in a paper encyclopedia [http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=KnPoYxrRfc0C&pg=PA3889&dq=Bengali+%2B%22science+fiction%22&num=100&client=firefox-a], which is usually accepted as evidence that we should have one in Wikipedia. Phil Bridger (talk) 13:26, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep and move per metropolitan, better safe than sorry. Ryan4314 (talk) 13:27, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep and move. Just needs sourcing. Empire3131 (talk) 02:39, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

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