Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Battle of Mosul (1745)

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The result was merge to Battle of Kars (1745). Consensus seems to be that while it did exist, there isn't much out there to build an article off of, which poses problems for core content policies such as WP:V. Anything verifiable can be merged to the other article. If sufficient sourcing can be found to justify an article on its own, I don't see a consensus here opposing that. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:05, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

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No reliable source mentions a battle at Mosul in 1745. Sykes source mentions a siege in 1743(p.268, 3rd edition), but nothing else concerning Mosul. Kansas Bear (talk) 23:22, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

Delete - per nom. - LouisAragon (talk) 23:26, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

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Comment Battle of Kars (1745) links to this article referring to it as the "debacle of Mosul". What is that referring to? Peterkingiron (talk) 17:36, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

:*No idea. Per Sykes(p.268-269) it mentions the battle of Kars(1745), but no mention of Mosul. Then Sykes talks about The Pioneer Journeys of Elton, 1739-1742. There is no mention of a battle/siege at Mosul in A Global Chronology of Conflict, Vol 2, page 743, which covers the battle of Kars. The Cambridge History of Iran, Volume 7, page 309, mentions the siege of Mosul in 1743, but no mention of any conflict in 1745. And, Lockhart, Laurence. Nadir Shah: A critical study based mainly upon contemporary sources, used for that mention of "debacle of Mosul", is non-viewable on google books. --Kansas Bear (talk) 18:25, 1 April 2018 (UTC)

~~Comment~~ Keep Lockhart, Laurence, Nadir Shah: A Critical Study Based Mainly Upon Contemporary Sources (1938) p. 250 ([https://books.google.com/books?id=EYmgAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=%22Turks+near+mosul%22 snippet view]) does describe "a striking success [Nadir]'s son Nasrullah had gained over the Turks near Mosul" which a snippet from the index on p. 340 refers to as "victory over the Turks near Mosul in 1745". Some support for some kind of engagement near Mosul in 1745 involving Nasrullah but not for the detail in the article without more. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 16:29, 2 April 2018 (UTC) Another brief mention of Nadir's son having "inflicted a serious defeat on an army of Ottomans and Kurds near Mosul". [https://books.google.com/books?id=6BuDBAAAQBAJ&pg=PT290 Axworthy, Michael, Sword of Persia: Nader Shah, from Tribal Warrior to Conquering Tyrant (2010) pp. 289-290.] 24.151.116.12 (talk) 17:20, 2 April 2018 (UTC) Another very brief account contains the name of the Turkish commander: "[Nadir's] son meanwhile had gained a complete victory over Abdulla Pasha near Mosul...." [https://books.google.com/books?id=HHUIAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA49 Herbert John Maynard, Nadir Shah (1885) p. 49.]. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 15:31, 7 April 2018 (UTC) I am coming to the conclusion that all of these accounts derive from Marvi Yazdi, Mohammad Kazem, Alam Ara-ye Naderi (3 vols.) (AAN) ed. Mohammad Amin Riyahi, Tehran (Third edition) 1374/1995, which is cited in the article. I am assuming that this in Persian and have no access to it any event, so it comes down to deciding whether the three brief accounts above are enough to satisfy that this article is no hoax and then relying on WP:AGF, WP:NONENGLISH and WP:SOURCEACCESS to keep the article, which is where I am leaning. 24.151.116.12 (talk) 15:53, 7 April 2018 (UTC)

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Weak Keep. I'm satisfied this happened (per sources presented by 24.151.116.12 and what I see) - that the son of Nader Shah is reported to have won a victory next to Mosul while the Battle of Kars was ongoing. I am concerned in that the sources we have online in English are fairly short (mainly mentioning that this happened - but not going into the details of the battle) - however I suspect there would be non-English sources here. A merge to Battle of Kars, may also be a viable result.Icewhiz (talk) 06:12, 16 April 2018 (UTC)
Merge to Batlle of Kars. There does not seem to be enough information to regard it as as sufficiently important incident to call it a battle in a separate article. DGG ( talk ) 21:33, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

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