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Sardesai, Govind Sakharam (1946) dedicated 2-3 (I'm overestimating here) lines to the actual conflict, Subrahmanian, N. (1979) mentions this conflict in passing (not by the name it is named as), same thing with Mehta, Jaswant Lal (2005), the only academic tertiary source covering the Marathas , Gordon Stewart (2005) does not even mention this battle, although it is cited here. This article completely fails notability guidelines, there is no significant coverage for the battle and even the cited sources don't call it what the author has named this article. Ratnahastin (talk) 22:19, 16 April 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, and Maharashtra. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:39, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: No, you're actually under estimating. [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.32142/page/n495/mode/2up Sardesai] has one and a half page of coverage, correct me If I'm seeing things but it's clearly verifiable. Page 289 in [https://books.google.co.in/books?id=3TZuAAAAMAAJ&newbks=1&newbks_redir=0&printsec=frontcover&dq=Pran+nath+chopra+uruli&q=Pran+nath+chopra+uruli&hl=en&source=gb_mobile_entity&ovdme=1&redir_esc=y#Pran%20nath%20chopra%20uruli Subrahmanian] literally calls it "Battle of Uruli". Maniacal ! Paradoxical (talk) 01:50, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
:*You are incorrect, the source only has a few lines for the actual conflict itself, most of what you are considering as coverage is in fact about the background and events that happened after it. Your source is also too old to be used and all the relevant detail about the conflict is just this:
{{Tq|On 8th December Nizam Ali occupied Chas, 20 miles north of Poona and pushed on to Uruli less than one day’s march from that capital. Here his advance was halted. His devastation of the places of sanctity had already estranged his Maratha subordinates and sedition was being successfully employed in his ranks. Ramchandra Jadhav and Mir Mughal, Nizam Ali’s brother, deserted him and came over to the Peshwa. This defection in his forces created a serious situation for Nizam Ali, who came to be practically surrounded at Uruli and was compelled to beg for terms to secure his retreat.}}
::Can you provide the full page? From the snippet it says: "Urali, Battle of 140". Ratnahastin (talk) 06:29, 17 April 2025 (UTC)
::: Maniacal ! Paradoxical (talk) 08:43, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
:::This is what actual "battle" coverage looks like:
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:::he marched directly upon Poona at the head of a powerful army of sixty thousand men, with a determined intention to capture the nerve-centre of the Maratha power and to prostrate it permanently. Fire and desolation marked the trail of Nizam Ali’s invading forces. By destroying Toka and Pravara-Sangam, two great centres of Hindu religious sanctity, in November, he added fierce fanaticism to his political aims. He dug up Sindia’s palaces at Shrigonda for obtaining hidden treasure. The menace so quickly approached Poona, that it then created a scare, in consequence of which the Peshwa’s family and some of the general populace removed themselves for safety to Lohgad, Purandar, Sinhagad and other places.
:::At this trying moment Madhavrao and his uncle sent urgent calls to Janoji Bhosle and other Sardars to join the Peshwa’s standard,
:::so that a force of about seventy thousand was assembled by the end of October. With this army they at once moved to oppose the enemy and bring him to submission. Avoiding a general action, they harassed the progress of the enemy at every turn, and wore down his spirit in several skirmishes which took place at Ahmadnagar, Shrigonda, Hivre and Bhuleshvar on the enemy’s route towards Poona. On 8th December Nizam Ali occupied Chas, 20 miles north of Poona and pushed on to Uruli less than one day’s march from that capital. Here his advance was halted. His devastation of the places of sanctity had already estranged his Maratha subordinates and sedition was being successfully employed in his ranks. Ramchandra Jadhav and Mir Mughal, Nizam Ali’s brother, deserted him and came over to the Peshwa. This defection in his forces created a serious situation for Nizam Ali, who came to be practically surrounded at Uruli and was compelled to beg for terms to secure his retreat.}}
:::I'm not even quoting the aftermath or prelude of the battle. It's just you conveniently left out other parts. Subrahmanian's citation was for your "sources don't call it what the author has named this article" question, it surely doesn't have more than half a page of coverage. Although the gap is filled by Sardesai. Maniacal ! Paradoxical (talk) 09:03, 18 April 2025 (UTC)
::::Let's break down the so-called "significant coverage", it seems you didn't even read the quote you have pasted here:
:::* November, Nizam destroys Toka and Pravara-Sangam.
:::*October, Large forces assembled by Marathas.
:::*December, Nizam occupies Chas.
:::*December-January, Nizam's further conquests are halted at Uruli(the actual conflict begins)
:::*January, Nizam is surrounded and his men defect.
::::The real conflict only begins at Uruli in January, you have simply cited the conflict preceding here in this quote, the way Sardesai is discussing the conflict, it is obvious that he is treating this battle as a part of the broader conflict between Marathas and the Nizam, there is therefore no significant coverage about the battle in the sources, it is irrelevant what Subramanian calls it ( he doesn't even call it what the it is titled as), if he doesn't cover the battle. The quote i posted earlier is all there is. Taking an excerpt out of an outdated work and spinning it off into an article is completely unwarranted, this page should not have been created in the first place. Ratnahastin (talk) 23:09, 18 April 2025 (UTC)