Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bemani Python 2

:The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is consensus that we do not need a standalone article but none of the merge targets exist and the material to be merged is unsourced original research so creating a new article as a merge target still doesn't address the notability or sourcing issue. The best policy based argument is that this is unsourced so although there is a preponderance of merge arguments here, the best policy based ones are the ones arguing deletion on the absence of sources. Spartaz ^Humbug! 03:08, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

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Not notable. Initially, there were no references or Google hits, and was PRODed. Author added a link, but link does not support notability. Singularity42 (talk) 18:39, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Comment. I have since learned that this device also goes by "Bemani Playstation 2". There appears to be more Google hits under that name, but still no signficant coverage by multiple reliable sources. Singularity42 (talk) 18:52, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
Comment. I have researched on some of Konami's japanese sits about Dance Dance Revolution SuperNOVA and SuperNOVA 2 with no success of a single word about htis system. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silrox9 (talk • contribs) 19:04, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:So are you also saying the subject is not notable? Because if you are, we can wrap this up pretty quickly... Singularity42 (talk) 19:13, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

::I know for a fact this systeme exists, but yes,unfortunatly while we have reference of it exiting, if these links aren't notable, then i'm afraid i can't find better. --Silrox9 (talk) 19:17, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::Okay. Well, it probably still isn't a bad idea to have this discussion continue for a bit, in case other editors think the link is enough to support notability, or have found better references. Singularity42 (talk) 19:21, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::: Just in curiosity, would have a photo taken by someone real life class as notability? Or does this have to be 1st part information? --Silrox9 (talk) 19:25, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

:::::Here's the general test for notability, from WP:GNG: If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to satisfy the inclusion criteria for a stand-alone article. So we are looking for significant coverage by independent, reliable sources. Hope that helps. Singularity42 (talk) 19:41, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

::::::Ah.. Thanks for that, if i come accros information i'll be sure to post it. Silrox9 (talk) 19:50, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge: There are more than several iterations of Bemani hardware, most of them have only been used in one or two machines. I suggest Konami arcade engines or Hardware of Bemani games to increase notability by inclusion. æron phone home 02:04, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. MrKIA11 (talk) 13:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

::This hardware has been used in more than one machine, most notably DDR superNOVa, SN2, Dancing Stage Fusion, Drummania V-V3 and Guitar Freaks V-V3. Silrox9 (talk) 18:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge any relevant info as a new section in List of Bemani series, which is the only article I saw. --Teancum (talk) 22:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Comment - If someone were to figure out the Japanese spelling I'm sure we could come up with more hits. SharkD Talk 03:23, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

:Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 00:44, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Merge I suppose a merge would be OK. SharkD Talk 06:19, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 23:04, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
Merge relevant info into a Konami arcade engines or Hardware of Bemani games article, per AeronPeryton. This would allow future expansion as more engines are created and more information is located. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:55, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

:: I agree making an merged article about Konami machines as then all relevant data would be availible in one page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Silrox9 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Merge/Rename, As the suggested Hardware of Bemani games. That could actually be an interesting article to expand and there'd be very solid ancestral notability given most were precursors to the current-day popular music genre hardware, or the currents being 100% ripoffs. imo that would be notable anyway, but the fact that it's now "historical" as a result? Amusing. Theoretically there could be a later article on comparisons of hardware from "Wmusic" games and "Jmusic", similar to the split RPG articles? Ha. Major stretch, but still... possible. jp.Wikipedia might be quite helpful on that. ♪ daTheisen (talk) 17:32, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

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