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Non-notable author Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

• Keep. You try to author a top-ten in India book (measured in Amazon sales). --Doncram (talk) 04:17, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

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• The claim that her book was "top-ten in India" is dubious. It is based on a single press release with no accompanying figures. No other sources mention it as a best-seller. Even the [https://www.amazon.in/Deliberate-Sinner-Bhaavna-Arora/dp/938266520X/ref=sr_1_fkmrnull_3?crid=1YAE9C913BS53&keywords=the+deliberate+sinner&qid=1553871658&s=gateway&sprefix=the+delib%2Caps%2C294&sr=8-3-fkmrnull|book's own Amazon India page] has its rank as 54,123 (and 6,712 in its genre). Globally, its numbers are even lower. Also, keep in mind that Amazon does not dominate the book retail space in India (or even the online book retail space). Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2019 (UTC)
• I dunno. [https://www.amazon.in/gp/feature.html/ref=amb_link_185547947_1?ie=UTF8&docId=1000844483&pf_rd_m=A1VBAL9TL5WCBF&pf_rd_s=center-2&pf_rd_r=022K8DB1VX002D5TPMAQ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=574439267&pf_rd_i=1592137031 The source] looks okay to me, offhand. It is not just about being "top 10" for an instant, it is about being "top 10" of entire year. And sure, Amazon might or might not be as relatively important in India as it is in the U.S. where you and I other judgmental narrow-minded Americans are making AFD nominations and !voting upon them....but India is HUGE!!!! And I think Amazon in India is quite big. Anyhow, again, why don't you please cancel any AFDs like this, then try to reach that benchmark yourself, before coming back to AFD, frankly. :) --Doncram (talk) 02:53, 30 March 2019 (UTC)
• I'm actually Indian, and I know how big Amazon is in India (it's the second biggest online retailer behind Flipkart, but online book sales are still small overall).Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 23:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

• Delete - Subject does not pass WP:GNG. I'm not seeing any significant sources indicating notability about the books. Add this to the fact that there's some obvious COI and possible sock puppetry going on. Wikipedia is not a platform to promote yourself. Skirts⁸⁹ 09:36, 5 April 2019 (UTC)
• Comment: In reference to the Amazon sales rankings, Amazon chart rankings are not considered to be a sign of notability on Wikipedia. To be honest, it was only in the past few years that bestseller lists were seen as a sign of notability in general - there actually was a fairly lengthy discussion about this at WP:NBOOK and ultimately it was decided that;

::::A book's inclusion in a reliable bestseller list is non-trivial treatment if the list is notable or the list is published by a notable media outlet and the list is republished or covered by other reliable sources. Bestseller lists in retailer or e-commerce sources like Amazon or self-published sources like personal websites, blogs, bulletin boards, wikis, and similar media are not considered reliable. Social media review sites like Goodreads and LibraryThing do not qualify for this criterion.

:By extension this also applies to authors the same way that book reviews count towards an author's notability by way of showing that their work is notable. Specifically excluding sites like Amazon from the bestseller list rule was one of the only reasons it was able to be finally added as a sign of notability. (If you're curious, the reasons for this revolved around several issues, one of which is that Amazon rankings can often be manipulated if someone knows how to accomplish this.) ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 23:56, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

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