Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bitch Lasagna

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This doesn't seem to be notable. I don't see substantial news coverage, and it doesn't seem to have charted.—{{u|Goldenshimmer}}｜✝️｜they/their｜😹｜T/C｜☮️｜John 15:12｜🍂 04:54, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

• Keep Passes WP:GNG [https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/pewdiepie-releases-a-t-series-diss-track-bitch-lasagna-181708] [https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/youtuber-pewdiepie-just-dropped-a-diss-track-on-t-series-and-it-is-fire-1904443.html] [https://variety.com/2014/digital/news/shane-dawson-jenna-marbles-internet-fame-1201271428/] AlessandroTiandelli333 (talk) 08:40, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

::{{u|AlessandroTiandelli333}} Um, the third source you linked is from 2014, and doesn't mention the song. Did you mean to link something else? The first source is a fairly short bit from a video-gaming gossip blog. The second source is mostly just a copy of the lyrics.—{{u|Goldenshimmer}}｜✝️｜they/their｜😹｜T/C｜☮️｜John 15:12｜🍂 12:07, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

:::Agreed, none of these 3 sources would help towards meeting the GNG. Sergecross73 msg me 12:30, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:10, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sweden-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:10, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

:Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 11:10, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

• Redirect to PewDiePie#Discography. The article was originally a redirect to PewDiePie anyway. – Vistadan 15:15, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

:You were probably better off with your first choice of “Redirect”. The article is extremely short and largely unsourced. There’s nothing in particular worth merging over... Sergecross73 msg me 16:25, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

::True, I'll go back to my first choice of Redirect. – Vistadan 16:56, 27 October 2018 (UTC)

• Redirect - Viable search term (and...unlikely to ever refer to anything else) but not enough (or any found as of writing this) third party reliable sources that discuss it in significant detail. Failure of the WP:GNG. Sergecross73 msg me 15:20, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
• Redirect to PewDiePie#Discography per above. The song is already mentioned in the discography section and in the formatted shows and further controversies (2018–present) section. 344917661X (talk) 21:39, 27 October 2018 (UTC)
• Keep or Merge with PewDiePie#Discography per above. AwesumIndustrys (talk) 19:25, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

:*On what grounds are you advocating either? It’s WP:NOTAVOTE - you need a reason to back your stance. There currently aren’t the reliable sources to advocate for either outcome you’re proposing. Sergecross73 msg me 01:34, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

:The song is already mentioned under PewDiePie#Discography, so I think a redirect would be best. 344917661X (talk) 23:56, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

• Comment. Tomorrow I will write an article about PewDiePie vs T-Series, which will be a valid merge target.wumbolo ^^^ 20:16, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

:{{ping|Wumbolo}} Good idea! That's great thinking there, as coming up with a solution like that shows great initiative, as it is much better than just a regular redirect! Davidgoodheart (talk) 03:35, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

:*Please don’t. That would likely be deleted or redirected too, and if you’d read the discussion, you’d we don’t need a redirect target, we already have consensus for one that already exists. Sergecross73 msg me 22:24, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

::*That won't be redirected per WP:XY, and is actually a very lengthy event, with coverage from several months ago and it's every day in the news at the moment.wumbolo ^^^ 08:50, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

:::*XY will only prevent redirection, not deletion. It will just end up being deleted. There’s very little precedent for “grudge” articles like you’re proposing. Just write it as a subsection at either of their existing articles if there really is reliable sourcing out there. The lack of coverage on this song makes me rather doubtful though. Sergecross73 msg me 14:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

::::*[https://www.polygon.com/2018/8/30/17799440/pewdiepie-tseries-youtube-top-creator-subscribers-bollywood-india In-depth coverage in Polygon, August], [https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/a3qb54/the-rise-of-t-series-the-youtube-channel-that-will-soon-dethrone-pewdiepie Vice, August], [https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/30/17800234/pewdiepie-top-youtube-channel-t-series-india The Verge, August], [https://www.theverge.com/2018/9/19/17874412/pewdiepie-t-series-flaretv-top-youtube-channel The Verge, September], [https://www.newsweek.com/pewdiepie-t-series-youtube-subscribers-india-social-blade-live-countas-1118994 Newsweek, September]. Recent coverage: [https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/pewdiepie-t-series-most-popular-youtube-channel-subscribers-a8599821.html The Independent], [https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/pewdiepie-t-series-youtube-subscribers-most-popular-channel-billboards-felix-kjellberg-a8606441.html The billboards, The Independent], [https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/pewdiepie-t-series-most-subscribed-youtube-channel-popular-a8608841.html The Independent], [https://qz.com/india/1407294/t-series-may-soon-topple-pewdiepies-youtube-reign/ Plenty of reactions to it, Quartz] wumbolo ^^^ 15:48, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

::::::They’re all just saying the same thing: Pewdiepie is most popular, but T-series is on track to beat him. That’s enough to source a sentence or two, not enough to warrant the construction of another entire article. Please take this discussion to a Wikiproject or something, it’s getting in the way of the discussion. There’s already a viable redirect target, so the outcome of this AFD is not dependent on the existence of this I’ll-conceived article. Sergecross73 msg me 16:55, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

• Keep Passes WP:GNG [https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/pewdiepie-releases-a-t-series-diss-track-bitch-lasagna-181708] [https://www.news18.com/news/buzz/youtuber-pewdiepie-just-dropped-a-diss-track-on-t-series-and-it-is-fire-1904443.html] [https://variety.com/2014/digital/news/shane-dawson-jenna-marbles-internet-fame-1201271428/]. Indeed.--BabbaQ (talk) 00:05, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

:*{{u|BabbaQ}} - How can you say that? Those are the same sources presented and discounted above. What makes these sources reliable sources? How can you possibly suggest that your third source, an article published in 2014 - 4 years prior to the subjects existence, somehow helps prove notability here? Really, really disappointing to see from an experienced editor as yourself. Sergecross73 msg me 01:43, 1 November 2018 (UTC)

• Redirect as above. Nowhere near enough coverage to justify a separate article. --Michig (talk) 09:55, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
• Redirect to PewDiePie#Discography per above, which it originally was a part of is what I had originally said, but also check out Wumbolo's idea above as well. After reading about invalid reasoning listed below, I have now changed my mind. Only when the article can be proven to be expanded and better sourced, then it can become its own article, but only then. Note the person who claimed this is a Wikipedia administrator and an authority on this matter. Either way I vote for a redirect. Davidgoodheart (talk) 21:24, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

:*This is invalid reasoning per WP:NOTINHERITED and WP:VAGUEWAVE. Sergecross73 msg me 22:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

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