Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brad Wilkins

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Biographical article about an architect of suspect notability. Article originally had a lot of references about the notability of the companies he worked for, but none were about him specifically. Google search on "Brad Wilkins" architect shows little to no coverage from independent reliable publications - mostly wiki mirrors and social media profiles. MikeWazowski (talk) 05:38, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete His father is notable and he has worked for notable firms, but notability is not inherited. I was unable to find any in-depth coverage of him in reliable sources. Cullen328 (talk) 06:06, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
• Delete Notability is not inherited either through blood or employment, lack of significant coverage of him in RS means fails WP:GNG. Mtking (talk) 06:48, 4 July 2011 (UTC)
• Keep Mtking, Cullen328, MikeWazowski, many of the references were deleted today. I will add new references. I heard Mr. Wilkins speak in India at the Taj Mahal and I created the article originally (though it is different). I hope to convince you gentlemen. Please help me. Any comments on my talk page would be appreciated. Thank you, Ignaciocobogonzalez (talk) 07:15, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

:Reply I responded on your talk page. Cullen328 (talk) 17:26, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

::: MikeWazowski in your "Revision as of 14:59, 4 July 2011" you removed relevant citations. Why? You said, "no mention of Brad Wilkins, Vimeo link (primary reference)" this is not true.
"museum" reference establishes Brad as (1)senior designer (2)at SOM (3)responsible for Pearl River Tower (4)award winning
"asgg" reference establishes Brad as(1)senior designer (2) at AS+GG
"vimeo" refenence shows a video, may not be wikipedia quality reference, but video shows article mentioned architects and professors talking about Brad and is made by independent source for Par Excelence Award
"book" reference is a book by Brad's boss that shows his work on (1)Burj Dubai (2)Pearl River (3)Nanjing Greeland also (4)shows senior designer role
"emaar" and "ArchitectMagazine" do not talk about Brad but establish information on which they were tagged.
an instance of "par" reference is deleted without reason.
There are more reasons for all of these references, I just picked a few. Why are you deleting relevant information? they are needed for accurate disscussion of deletion. Ignaciocobogonzalez (talk) 20:03, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

::::The [http://www.mcachicago.org/exhibitions/exh_detail.php?id=52&syear=2006 museum link] contains no mention of Wilkins, so it cannot establish him for anything. The [http://smithgill.com/#/news/events asgg link] also has no mention of Wilkins that I can find, so again, it's useless as a reference. The book reference was left in the article, although I have my doubts it actually mentions Wilkins in any significant capacity. As "emaar" and "ArchitectMagazine" do not mention Wilkins (by your own admission), these are useless references for establishing Wilkins' notability. Also, for the record, I would like to point out Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ignaciocobogonzalez, and more specifically [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:PearlRiverTower.jpg&diff=114263662&oldid=114256602 this edit to an image], where you appear to identify yourself as Brad Wilkins. Care to comment? MikeWazowski (talk) 20:25, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

:::::I am not Brad Wilkins.
Look at the "asgg" link again, it is there. The "museum" link is to a notice, the documentation is not online, for folio, documentation, photos you'd have to go to the museum, call or buy the folio (not digitally online).
You deleted 16 of 24 links; all were valid. Ignaciocobogonzalez (talk) 20:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::If the museum link you provided doesn't mention Wilkins, it should not have been used. The "asgg" link contains no mention of Wilkins. To double check, I just copy/pasted the text into a text editor and did a search - no Wilkins. Repeatedly claiming the links to be valid does not make them so, especially when I've shown proof that they're not. As to your identity - were you lying when you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:PearlRiverTower.jpg&diff=114263662&oldid=114256602 made an edit claiming to be the author of this image]? I think I'll let the SPI investigation/checkuser process find out the truth. MikeWazowski (talk) 21:27, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

::::::: the museum link references "documents" not a web/digital, so, I guess the linking portion on gave a way to get in contact with the museum about the exhibition. otherwise, I see your point. But the museum exhibit did/documents do mention Brad Wilkins and his role, awards, etc. There are 3 references to his speaking for AS+GG on the "assgg" link, there was more previously, but the link seems less important now. internet archive of the site would be better, but he is there 3 times. I am going to limit my discussion on this and about me from here out. This is about the article, though I see why you deleted so many links, I see you will not put them back, so i'll let others be the judge if they belong or not. your accusations and deletions following this page of my other work do pertain to this page, but I will leave those discussions to their appropriate places. You see to take this personally and not about the quality of lack of in this article. Ignaciocobogonzalez (talk) 22:01, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 16:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. — • Gene93k (talk) 16:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• Delete - No significant independent coverage about this individual in reliable sources to establish notability. Note that the book The architecture of Adrian Smith, SOM: toward a sustainable future used as a reference for 4 points in the article does not bother to cite a page number; however the book is available for [http://books.google.com/books?id=CYuIhkIZNKoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=isbn:1864701692&hl=en&ei=xWcUTqWSJKulsAK8m-zUDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=wilkins&f=false preview on Google Books]. There is no "Brad Wilkins" mentioned in the book although page 555 has what appears to be a "Bradlet Wilkins". In any case, that is a mere mention as being part of a large architecture team working on a project. As an added bonus, the book is not indepedent as it is authored by Adrian Smith, one of the principals of the architecture firm that Wilkins works for. -- Whpq (talk) 13:53, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

:Reply The google preview does not show all the pages of the book. Ignaciocobogonzalez (talk) 19:44, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

::Reply - However, Google Books does index the entire book. Anyways, if you have a specific page reference please put it forward. -- Whpq (talk) 02:51, 11 July 2011 (UTC)rep

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