Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bradley Mount

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A house, not a village and not notable 1rre (talk) 12:58, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

:It appears that it is not a village but a house - I'm unsure if it's still there but the article is wrong either way and the house doesn't seem to be notable, only appearing as an address outside of incorrect geodata calling it a village.

:See google books search: https://www.google.com/search?q=%22Bradley+Mount%22+(Prestbury+%7C+Butley)&tbm=bks

:See 1900s OS map from the National Library of Scotland: https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=16.2&lat=53.29370&lon=-2.14163&layers=298&b=11&z=0&point=0,0 1rre (talk) 13:05, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of England-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 13:12, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

*Keep it is a small area where people live, not a house. I think all populated places are presumed notable. See https://opengovuk.com/place/ChIJ8SHBcvlLekgRL8hvnrv6H2o CT55555(talk) 14:30, 29 December 2022 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 14:34, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• delete The house is still there, and the area shown by opengovuk is plainly BS: it takes parts of two different neighborhoods/whatever, with a blank area between them, and mashes them together nonsensically; te house is in fact just to the NW of of one corner of this fiction. Mangoe (talk) 15:08, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• :It seems unlikely as the name of a building, mount is more commonly used in a place or hill name. For example Badgers Mount, St Michael's Mount, Rydal Mount
• :Looking at the link to the map above, it says "Bradley Mount" near to three separate properties, so I don't think that is the name of one of them, you can see on google maps that the larger one is called Fern Gulley. Mount on a UK map probably indicates an area that is raised in height, rather than a building, based on what the word mount means. CT55555(talk) 15:26, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• ::This is objectively false.
• ::Check the books given at the link above, eg. [https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=--INAQAAMAAJ&pg=PR17&dq=%22Bradley+Mount%22+(Prestbury+%7C+Butley)&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiOtPqGmJ_8AhXyg_0HHVTNCn8Q6AF6BAgDEAI the 1st result] and it's clearly listed as the house, not the village.
• ::Check the OS Map, where it is also a house.
• ::Further, Rydal Mount is a house in Rydal, which further implies that this is just a house. 1rre (talk) 15:57, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• :::Also, looking at Rightmove, there is a "Bradley House" in the exact position of Bradley Mount on the OS map - it's entirely possible it was renamed at some point, or that "Bradley House" is the house on the estate of Bradley Mount. Either way, the area suggested in OpenGovUk doesn't even include this area, and is likely sourced from faulty geodata (either from Google Maps, or from where Google Maps got their data initially).
• :::https://www.rightmove.co.uk/house-prices/details/england-106428989-73596708?s=c13581271a2995990ef4b9436b49fc3562de4b012e837590673382e2fc30e8b9#/ 1rre (talk) 16:04, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• ::::For more info on it being listed as a house in the OS map, a higher scale map & a key can be found here:
• ::::https://maps.nls.uk/view/128076798
• ::::https://maps.nls.uk/view/114582739 1rre (talk) 16:11, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• :::Good point on Rydal Mount. Can you say why you think the first one indicates it's a specific house? CT55555(talk) 16:09, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• ::::The key for the map is here:
• ::::https://maps.nls.uk/view/114582739
• ::::The font used for "Bradley Mount" is one of:
• ::::* Gentelemens Seats
• ::::* Manufactories, Mines, Farms, Locks
• ::::* Isolated Houses
• ::::* Small Rivers and Brooks
• ::::The most likely case is a gentemens seat, farm or isolated house, but regardless none of the potential categories are a village. 1rre (talk) 16:17, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• ::::And on the book, the format is overwhelmingly "Street Address, Town" - the only instances where the format differs seems to be when a street address is not given, or further clarification on the address is needed 1rre (talk) 16:24, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• :::::And looking at the other books, the 3rd book (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=FHtEAAAAMAAJ&q=%22Bradley+Mount%22+(Prestbury+%7C+Butley)&dq=%22Bradley+Mount%22+(Prestbury+%7C+Butley)&hl=en&newbks=1&newbks_redir=1&printsec=frontcover&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjMlOS6np_8AhVPXMAKHeJ8AswQ6AF6BAgEEAI) says "Frances Eliza Crompton was born at ' Bradley Mount ' , Butley , near Prestbury in Cheshire , on 18 February 1866" - saying "born at" implies it is a specific location, as "born in" would be used for a village 1rre (talk) 16:31, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• ::::::Not sure if this is necessarily true. Older British usage often used "at" for a village or town where modern usage would be "in". RobinCarmody (talk) 18:00, 29 December 2022 (UTC)
• Comment irrespective of automatic notability, it's difficult to see much value in an article whose word-count matches {{u|1rre}}'s admirably economical AfD nomination. Are we ever going to have anything useful to write about this place, whatever it is? Elemimele (talk) 00:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
• Delete, I changed my mind after reading the comments. I'm now less certain if it's a house or a village, but also the comment above is astute, with so little information coming up even during the AFD as we search, there is little merit to having the article. I suggest we delete but let someone recreate if sources are found, or notability increases. CT55555(talk) 23:32, 30 December 2022 (UTC)
• :I also support the redirect. CT55555(talk) 18:41, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect to Prestbury, Cheshire - Royal Mail UK postcode finder lists Bradley Mount as a single address. To be retained the building would need to be notable. However, this map [https://maps.nls.uk/view/189189999] suggests it represents a larger area (zoom in below PRESTBURY). Be that as it may, the map shows a group of houses along a road and some fields. WP:GEOLAND states that there is a presumption of notability for a legally recognised, populated place, but the evidence on balance doesn't show this amounts to one. Not all housing estates, minor suburbs, historical place names have or deserve a standalone page. They're treated on a case-by-case basis. A noticeboard at the entrance to the estate built on the area's fields shows Prestbury Parish Council and addresses have the road followed by Prestbury so perhaps a redirect would be preferable? Rupples (talk) 05:03, 1 January 2023 (UTC)
• :A very sensible suggestion; for precedent, see Fenton, Cambridgeshire which is an inhabited region of minutely-few inhabitants, sensibly lumped together with the already diminutive Pidley, both by the authorities and by Wikipedia. They share a single mountain rescue team. Elemimele (talk) 18:24, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• ::A mountain in Cambridgeshire? Phil Bridger (talk) 19:18, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
• Redirect to Prestbury, Cheshire. Also shown on the Historic England online maps as a single house, but even if it is a an area I don't think it's a recognised settlement. I can see no evidence of signs marking it or pointing to it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:22, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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