Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brexit (disambiguation)

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Dab with a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC plus a single ambiguous WP:RELATED-ish item (the movie) and several WP:PTM non-ambiguous items (all related) which can all be covered in the primary topic {{done}}. This is better as a hatnote {{done}}. It's WP:TWODABS and a magnet for non dab items - more like a bad WP:SIA collecting non ambiguous items Widefox; talk 00:15, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

• Further discussion Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Disambiguation#Brexit_.28disambiguation.29. Widefox; talk 00:17, 5 April 2017 (UTC) Ping Kpalion. Widefox; talk 11:35, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Disambiguations-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:25, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. No need for a dab in this circumstance. Its existence can only confuse readers into thinking that there are things named "Brexit" unrelated to the sole encyclopedic meaning. bd2412 T 02:07, 5 April 2017 (UTC)
• Delete, agree with BD2412's logic. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 05:59, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

:Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 14:28, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

• Keep. Several of the items aren't really barred WP:PTM, which deals with examples like not listing the Louisville Zoo at Zoo, and not listing the Mississippi River at River, or North Carolina at North. Brexit Act for example, the specific part is "Brexit", not "Act", and it should be listed just like the Patriot Act is at Patriot. Same with the Brexit referendum, where "Brexit" is the specific part, and which was widely just called "Brexit' in reliable sources in the immediate aftermath (e.g. [http://www.cnbc.com/2016/06/23/welcome-to-the-world-after-brexit-heres-what-happens-next.html], [http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/brexit-vote-future-for-britain-political-fallout-what-about-the-eu-explainer-friday/article30552963/]). Those two along with the Brexit talks, are all valid DAB entries since it is plausible to just refer to them as Brexit, or to reasonbly infer that they could be refered to that way. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 18:54, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

::PTM means asking oneself if the topic is referred to solely as "Brexit" which none of them are (apart from the movie). That's standard procedure, rather than barring rules. The other vital aspect is all these are WP:RELATED, so can be covered in the primary topic. There's actually only one topic, which is Brexit plus related items. As such a hatnote at the primary topic and links in the body cover it, and spares synthetic generation of non-ambiguous in a dab failing TWODABS. (and the first source is a primary reaction piece talking about a Brexit, nobody refers to the referendum as "Brexit" - people voted for Brexit. As for Brexit Act vs Patriot Act the difference isn't just the latter is the official name, the former not and isn't even bolded as an alternative title in the article or even mentioned - it's just a redirect (Google "Brexit Act" and first hit is "Theresa May must get second Brexit Act through Parliament after EU ." - it's just technicalities of steps leading to Brexit), it's that nobody refers to the act as solely Brexit which is the standard procedure. It's that simple. That's why the Brexit Act is stable in the see also as edit consensus says it isn't solely known as "Brexit".) Widefox; talk 20:04, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

:::WP:PTM means taking out partial title matches where there is no significant risk of confusion or reference, which isn't the case here. I've already provided two links above that refer to the Brexit referendum as Brexit, or at least in a way that could reasonably be confused for Brexit. Other sources use the term in similarly ambiguous ways. [https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/apr/12/wednesday-briefing-did-putin-interfere-in-brexit Wednesday briefing: Did Putin interfere in Brexit?], [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/12/no-russia-didnt-deliver-brexit-will-people-cannot-hacked/ No, Russia didn't deliver Brexit – the will of the people cannot be hacked], [https://heatst.com/politics/yes-vladimir-putin-tried-to-hack-brexit-but-brits-paid-no-attention/ Yes, Vladimir Putin Tried to Hack #Brexit – But Brits Paid No Attention], and [http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/772192/russia-brexit-hacking-vladimir-putin-eu-referendum-ben-bradshaw Russia Brexit meddling? Labour MPs DEMAND inquiry over Putin's influence in Leave vote] all use "Brexit" to refer to the referendum vote allegedly affected by the Russians. [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/apr/12/foreign-states-may-have-interfered-in-brexit-vote-report-says Brexit: foreign states may have interfered in vote, report says], where an ambiguious referent structure could lead the unware to think Brexit was the vote, or the report. Other times, it's unclear if Brexit refers to the exit, the exit talks, or the department responsible for Brexit. For example, we have [https://www.ft.com/content/1f91316c-8099-11e6-bc52-0c7211ef3198 Who is in charge of Brexit? ‘It’s all very difficult,’ says Hammond] and [https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/theresa-may-made-the-man-in-charge-of-brexit-carry Theresa May Made The Man In Charge Of Brexit Carry Her Handbag], where the title's use of Brexit refers to people leading the Brexit department in charge of the Brexit talks, but surely not someone who is totally in charge of removing the UK from the EU, which would require bilateral action. It may seem clear to Brits or those familiar with Brexit, but to many of our readers, it's not so clear what Brexit is, so it's reasonable to refer to many of these entries as just Brexit. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 05:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

:::Also, taking a look at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Brexit_(disambiguation)&action=history the page history], this claim that there's an "edit consensus" that only Brexit and the movie are valid DAB entries, seems to be solely based on you moving the other entries down after {{u|This is Paul}} created the page, only to be reverted by {{u|Mhockey}}, and then you re-reverting him. If anything, that shows that of the editors who took a stance on the issue, there was a slight preference for having the referendum as a DAB entry. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 06:07, 13 April 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. TWODABS applies. The rest are partial title matches. Clarityfiend (talk) 01:09, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
• Keep per Patar knight. There are at least three items on the page that could be singularly referred to as Brexit; and terms such as Brexit Act and Brexit Secretary are regularly cited in reliable media (see [https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/28/brexit-secretary-david-davis-revealed-his-negotiating-knowhow-in-1988-book here], [http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-39261668 here] and [http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-must-get-second-brexit-act-through-parliament-after-eu-negotiations-lawyers-conclude-a7586506.html here] for examples). This is Paul (talk) 20:16, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

::Check again - the two sources I checked (Guardian, BBC) do not refer to either topic as "Brexit". As such, they don't support the position that they are referred to as solely "Brexit". Nobody refers to them as such, as per the consensus at the dab that this is not the case. Brexit's an important topic but creating this dab doesn't assist readers. Maybe an Index or something would be useful? (although I'll give you that the dab Defence does list Defence minister as a sub entry of National security disambiguating grouped entries, but more typical / straightforward Education (disambiguation) doesn't list Education minister) Widefox; talk 22:06, 6 April 2017 (UTC)

:::You seem to be being over-pedantic on this, and even admit that other articles follow similar rules, so are you planning to list those for deletion as well? I'm kinda lost here. Also, I'm wondering if anyone else's head is starting to hurt. This is Paul (talk) 17:57, 7 April 2017 (UTC)

::::"over-pedantic" as in correct per guideline, I'd agree thanks. The only two keeps here are Patar (who's disagreeing with me in several places - nothing implied by that), and you as creator. Consensus is clear so far amongst dab project members here where we do this "pedantry" called disambiguation. It wasn't even my idea to delete, but someone else's at the project. Widefox; talk 15:31, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Perhaps WP:PTM could be beter written and point out that neither Zoo (disambiguation) nor Louisville (disambiguation) contain links to Louisville Zoo. — Kpalion^(talk) 15:10, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

:*But then we have List of zoos by country, it seems, which kind of blows this paper-thin argument away. In fact this whole nomination rests on a hair's breadth of logic. This is Paul (talk) 20:09, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

::*Except that List of zoos by country is not a disambiguation page and can contain whatever content might be within scope of the list article. older ≠ wiser 20:21, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

:::*That's right, although, in this case, I don't think we need a list of Brexit-related articles either. A navbox might be a good idea, though. — Kpalion^(talk) 08:32, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

• Delete, apart from the film, there is no actual ambiguity being addressed by this page. older ≠ wiser 20:21, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. Brexit is the overwhelming WP:PRIMARY meaning; the film can be dealt with by a hatnote. The other entries on the DAB page under discussion are all subsidiary to the primary topic. None is known simply as Brexit, but always as Brexit-something-or-other. They can be listed in a "See also" section in the primary article; or if that gets too big, perhaps split out into a list of Brexit-related topics.

: Quaere: does this DAB page help readers find their way around Wikipedia? My answer - no.

: (Someone had to say this: Brexit means Brexit. I'll get me coat ;-) Narky Blert (talk) 20:40, 10 April 2017 (UTC)

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